Thats why i called him dumb in a weird way. He is too honest and doesn't think what about what he says and the impact it could have. The same can be said for me on occassions hey DOA

It so reminds me of when Fev starts the argy bargy on matchday when sticking up for his teammates. He shouldn't do it, but its the principal that Fev stands up for.

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Do you really believe what Demetriou says?

Particularly when other players like Raines and Voss have backed him up?

Or are you just caught up in supporting the AFL?

Fev's done something stupid, that's plain. But to hang him out to dry when there is corroborating evidence supporting his assertion of provocation, you want to discount that?

Last time I checked the Crimes Act, provocation was a partial defence...

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I don't.

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The Spew never does anything without an ulterior motive

There is a method in his madness and it often works

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Fev is DEFINATLY too honest. He's one of these blokes that doesn't have a filter system between his brain and his mouth. He either doesn't care, or doesn't know not to say what actually happened.

I can just imagine the spew saying to the Aboriginal boys;

Spew "Has anyone racially taunted you"
The Boys "Ummmmmm, no"
Spew "That's good enough for me, case closed!! Fev's a liar!!

NEXT!!"

What did he honestly expect them to say?

Have them dump a dozen rogue Irishmen in the racist bin, then to play 2 more games of footy in front of 50,000 perochial Irish supporters after the press have made race front page headlines?

Come on spewer, you're not that stupid

The good news is spew is now looking stupid as other players back him up.

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Can anybody answer me this? Except for the situation where gratuitous, open racial taunts and abuse (including on the field) occured, do you think that Demitriou would be running with the whole racist comments thing???

Of course not, because headlining racial abuse involving the IR code would effectively stop the International Rules series althougher, or at the very least but a massive cloud over it... within the AFL code, it can be dealt with publicly without much effect to the game itself. But in the IR, an international game...

Plus, let's not forget - the Spew has made it known in the past that he is not Carlton's greatest fan...

thats Ok we are not the Spews greatest fan either

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You are missing my point actually.

No, I don't believe the AFL version, they have a very big barrow to push.

All I am questioning is your idiotic statement that "Denial is the first sign of truth."

You just tried to deflect that question by trying to portray me as an AFL sympathiser. Then follow up with some half arsed jive about you being closely related to the crimes act.

I understand that Footy evokes emotion and good on you for being parochial, but think before you type or you just might influence the world for the worse.

Mark

Dennis, is that you?!

My pussy got eaten.

I asked the neighbour's dog "Did you eat my pussy?"

The dog denied it.

Was the dog telling the truth?

Who knows?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Was the denial a sign of the truth or a sign of a lie?

And how the @#$%&! did Mrs Slocombe get in here anyway?

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Does anyone believe that Fev's drunken, yobbo, bullyboy behaviour was a result of alleged abuse that may have occurred from some people at some time? Or is it that Fev was drunk and belligerent, was refused drink and acted really badly. Ask Fev whether he would have been okay about the incident if his wife was the woman behind the desk? And how is it that Adam Selwood is dragging Fev away instead of Fev looking after the young players. fev is a very dumb bloke who should have accepted what a stupid thoughtless thing he had done and got on the first plane back to Australia and taken his medicine, not given an interview that has kept him on the back pages for another week and then fly off to Europe to the wise counsel of Fraser Gherig! Why do we look for excuses for guys who can play football really well and think it gives them the right to behave badly. Fev's crime is that he is dumb and immature and it is really disappointing that he would undo a really good year like this.

If memory serves a lot of TC posters hammered Karl Norman for being a bit slack and taking a few E tablets - bad thing to do no doubt, but worse than Fev's behaviour while being an overseas ambassador for the country? I hope those same posters aren't now excusing Fev.

The main problem I'm seeing is that people are using innuendo and half-truths (or half-lies), feeding off the media (who are either running a very serious and worthwhile topic - OR - throwing around a small issue to sell papers or get viewers), and generally casting their opinion as the 'right' or 'moral' or 'sensible' opinion... when the truth of the matter is that we don't know all the details, all those imperceptible little details that are important in an issue like this... such as:

Racist taunts @ the team - or Fev's porky pies?
A punch to the noggin - or a barman getting his 15 minutes?
A stupid, drunken Fev - or a... ok, that might be established...

End of the day, if he was here *at least at the pubs I frequent*, and just a normal Joe Blow citizen - and he did a similar thing (baring in mind I'm going on the fact that the barman shows no marks/signs of assault)... he would have either been thrown out of the pub by the bouncers and perhap have received a few whacks from them for good measure - or the cops would have been called and citizen Fev would have spent the night in lock-up, only to return to his missus giving his a spray for being out all night and smelling like grog....

The above might not be correct, but that is just my opinion!

Difference is Sparky that a normal Joe Blow is not getting 450k of which a proportion is marketing money - presumably to show the club in a good light not a bad light. A normal Joe Blow is not on a tour representing his country where his behaviour will reflect not just on him but on his country as well. A normal Joe Blow is usually not as big and strong and fit as Fev and therefore not as intimidating. A normal Joe Blow might have ended up a bloodied mess after a beating from the bouncers and might have spent the night in the lock up which if you are o s might cause all sorts of complications. Fev is not a normal Joe Blow and he needs to learn that soon if he has failed to after 9 seasons of AFL.

Look what happened to Hooksey after a few too many and an altercation. God rest his Soul.

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But let's understand the role of the media here...or should I say the "strength" of the media.

Picture the scene:

The Spew walks into the team room and asks "Does anybody want to support Fev's comments?". He looks everybody in the eye whilst they all squirm in their seats.

The players would be thinking "mmm, do I want to be the next front page story??" And they choose to pass.

Let's face it, The Spew will not support you because if you admit anything it will only create greater investigation into people's behaviour on the tour.

Given the way the media & The Spew is operating, I probably would pass too - regardless of what I'd heard.

3AW is complaining that they were trying to get anybody to talk about the night, but everybody in Ireland had gone to ground...I wonder why!!

What's the greater evil - what was said or how they would be treated in the media if they admit what they heard...

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"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

The greatest evil is the lie.

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I love the way the Age today was saying how the footage of the incident supports Fev's story, while the Hun is saying that the footage incriminates him!

Talk about spinning both ways.

Yeah, and I have to say, Nick Davis has got to be the biggest upsucking hypocrite since Howard last visited the Whitehouse....

NINJA man, of course its not all saints here, but to behonest, if the reports are correct, IF, and no-one said anything to him he will look a bit silly, but I find it hard to believe it was at the level Fev said it was

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I think the truth is that Fev has been carrying around a big chip on his shoulder since he was omitted from the first game, and has probably let it all build up into this one incident.

Away from his usual support networks, particularly Mrs Fevola who has settled him down, I reckon he's had a hard time working through his disappointment and lost the plot a bit.

We all lose the plot a bit at times. Granted, we don't all grab people in headlocks, but truth is if he had been a backpacker, tourist, everyday yob he'd have been grabbed by the belt by a big bloke called Merv (or Patrick, I guess), turfed out of the pub and told to go home. End of story.

Unfotunately there is a cast of sinister characters in this particular drama that have stirred and thickened this pot until the whole mess is one unpalatable slop of gruel that the media is wolfing down like it was their last meal.

Damn, I'm hungry now, I think I'll go raid the fridge.....