CARO to take on Malouf at 12.30 on 3AW.

camel · **Posted:** Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:44 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Is there anything in her article that is untrue?

Malouf is a lovely bloke but he is out of his depth. He fumbled and bumbled his way through the interview. Caro write an article that demonstrates the ineptitude at Carlton at the moment and Malouf had the opportunity to set the record straight.
What did he say?

They are going to have a latte together.
How reassuring.

Perhaps you should offer to shout Malouf a latte and then tell us what he has to say. :-D

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:56 pm

Real men drink ristrettos.

verbs · **Posted:** Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:58 pm

Apart from the two people on here who read The Age, is it surprising everyone else can't stand Caroline? I would think not.

Teddy · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:12 am

Barnesy wrote:

Didn't actually take her on head to head.

Was actually a bit side tracked.

Wants to meet with Caroline Wilson for a coffee in the future to cover some of the issues she raised in the article which she was scathing of a lack of business plan.

I've no idea how good or bad Malouf is, but having a coffee with her is pathetic. Why should we have to justify anything to her. Since when is she so high and mighty that we have to go out of our way and meet her for coffee and say "see we do have a plan".

For f%*&s sake, just ignore her and get on with the job.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Synbad wrote:

Real men drink ristrettos.

Macchiato Doppio for me, thanks.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:44 am

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Real men drink ristrettos.

Macchiato Doppio for me, thanks.

Thats got milk in it...

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:46 am

Teddy wrote:

Barnesy wrote:

Didn't actually take her on head to head.

Was actually a bit side tracked.

Wants to meet with Caroline Wilson for a coffee in the future to cover some of the issues she raised in the article which she was scathing of a lack of business plan.

I've no idea how good or bad Malouf is, but having a coffee with her is pathetic. Why should we have to justify anything to her. Since when is she so high and mighty that we have to go out of our way and meet her for coffee and say "see we do have a plan".

For f%*&s sake, just ignore her and get on with the job.

Should have gone to a Happy Days joint and bought her a green spider ....

Lets go for coffee???
How funny is that????

bluehotel · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:39 am

After todays article i hope the salt was substituted for the sugar

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:04 am

steve wrote:

molsey wrote:

It's often very easy to forget how much a pauper our football club is - or allows itself to be presented as. In all but the PP redevelopment, which uses other people's money, we are miles behind on the leaders of the competition and really have no cash to throw around at anything. The Club remains on a shoe-string and I doubt we all realise how dependent on volunteers they are.

The upshot of this is that removing people from contracts is harder than it otherwise would be and also, we are unlikely to be able to attract big names to fill other positions.

If I am wrong then my view of working with the Club is that we remain short of funds and a cross-spread of good people, which you tend to be able to buy with $.

I am gratified that it seems we are expanding the football department but I doubt many would be on the big bucks. I think that's part of the reason for so many part-time assistants.

We can all dream of what the Club needs to do but unless the Big Boys take over the Club and put the cash in, or the members embrace the Club and sign-up to 35,000 or so, which isn't going to happen, I can't see the picture improving. It's grind, grind, grind away and hope that the young players can lead us out of the wilderness (Which begs the question of what the hell they were trying to do in 2006....).

Some would say if we didnt try to cover our debts we could put $ towards bigger and better things. Those who have worked in a horribly overgeared business know that this is a risky and difficult strategy.

M

Classical chicken and egg scenario. You have to get good people to turn the club around. If they got good people, announced it, and made it sound like we were making progress, you'd get members on board. We'd also start to improvement in the operation.

If we need better people, we HAVE to get them.

Agree with Steve here. If we persist with the conservative strategy of the last 4 years, by the time we might end up out of debt, we might be looking at 2020 and Murphy and Kennedy etc will have retired ; quite simply, unless we are prepared to risk something, we will be stuck here for a LONG time.

We need good people and we need to do it NOW; bank on a high profile signing and new CEO like O'Neill and sell it to the members, then they'll sign up.

If we cannot give the members anything but the same old, same old, people will be more inclined to jump off which will leave you in a worse position.

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:21 pm

Synbad wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Real men drink ristrettos.

Macchiato Doppio for me, thanks.

Thats got milk in it...

spot on Synners.

you're a poof, KK.

molsey · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:24 am

Quote:

We need good people and we need to do it NOW; bank on a high profile signing and new CEO like O'Neill and sell it to the members, then they'll sign up.

Our last high profile (read - expensive) signing cost us $2m over 3 years and its very difficult to point to anything that confirms his effectiveness.

Where would you pay for this high profile person to come in? We cant cut anywhere else anymore..so it has to come from the Bank. Unlike other businesses (family or personal businesses) would one person run the risk of the Club's debt actually being called in? It's very risky.

I think we've done the hardest yards now so to break the bank to bring in someone of potential value is too risky. the business world is full of dhead CEO's who cost a lot and can talk the talk but go nowhere.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Deano Supremo wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Real men drink ristrettos.

Macchiato Doppio for me, thanks.

Thats got milk in it...

spot on Synners.

you're a poof, KK.

Takes one to know one, Deano, you anal cruiser. :lol:

bluehotel · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:55 am

Is an anal cruiser the same as a canal user? :shock:

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

molsey wrote:

Quote:

We need good people and we need to do it NOW; bank on a high profile signing and new CEO like O'Neill and sell it to the members, then they'll sign up.

Our last high profile (read - expensive) signing cost us $2m over 3 years and its very difficult to point to anything that confirms his effectiveness.

Where would you pay for this high profile person to come in? We cant cut anywhere else anymore..so it has to come from the Bank. Unlike other businesses (family or personal businesses) would one person run the risk of the Club's debt actually being called in? It's very risky.

I think we've done the hardest yards now so to break the bank to bring in someone of potential value is too risky. the business world is full of dhead CEO's who cost a lot and can talk the talk but go nowhere.

Chicken and the Egg, Rock and a hard place.....you need the big bucks to get the right people but after being burnt by Pagan its once bitten twice shy and I think it would be a brave board who would ok the amount of money that someone like ONeill would want...that would have to come from an outside benefactor and while there has been plenty of talk about White knights we still have not seen any White Knight put his cash on the table.
At the same time its hard to see Malouf being the type of CEO to dig us out of the mess either and sometimes in business you need to take a risk and spend some money to make some money....but

The average member is more interested in wins than bank balances and getting the best players..its only the fanatics and tragics who look at the big picture and are bothered with the financial future..
You could sign up the best CEO , reduce debt but if that doesnt reflect in wins on the park then you are still going to struggle to sign members.

The clubs fate rests fairly heavily on the likes of Marc Murphy, Josh Kennedy and probably Bryce Gibbs...thats why to me the performance of the coach is more critical rather than Malouf..
Unless a new CEO gets a bundle of money from a white knight I dont think he will change things much and I dont feel like paying him a fortune if thats the case...

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:59 pm

Molsey and Elwood,

I agree somewhat with your points, however, we have to look at what happened when Pagan signed up end of 02, we got dealt with harshly, club PR machine got into gear and we had a record membership.

We need something NEW; either on field or off it. Otherwise people will think "same old, same old". Ideally, that should be a new coach - but I doubt that will happen unless we have a board spill.

Perhaps a bigger marketing department?

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

CarltonClem wrote:

Perhaps a bigger marketing department?

A marketing department which isn't purely reactive would be a start. And one which generated some marketing might be an idea too. And not 1990s marketing, either....

waldo48 · **Joined:** Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:10 pm **Posts:** 61

marciblue wrote:

True Game. She's a gutter journalist just like one of the last callers said about her piece during the week! :lol:

I havenâ€™t listened to AW for a long time as its prime target audience is the geriatric, redneck element of society. I realised after having it on for the past 2 hours exactly why I wonâ€™t be tuning in again. For starters, they promised an interview with Kevin Muscat and nothing eventuated. They hate the sport anyway, probably because of its cultural links! Thatâ€™s another story though.

They just donâ€™t the know sh!t about anything, including AFL which is their staple sport. They are shocking. The AFL have already pointed out that Fev will be funding his own way home after refusing to board the London-Melbourne leg of his return journey which was AFL funded. Because he chose to go his own way he pays for it out of his pocked. Common sense youâ€™d thinkâ€¦ :roll:

And what is with this obsession that Fev will have to travel back to Ireland if charges are laid. Get real! As if he will be extradited for a minor assault claim like that!!! What a joke! If a case does go ahead it will proceed in his absence and that will be it. Just so dumb

I hate sports radio but for some reason I listen more than I should, but it is rife with dumbos who are obviously employed to inject some sort of personality to the broadcast when they are in reality painfully mind-numbing and generally have zero sport knowledge and are barely passable with AFL which is the only sport they have any exposure too.

Thatâ€™s the one thing with Australian sports radio. Very poor with quality content and well-informed discussion

I fully agree with you. Wilson is a bimbo masquerading as a journalist. She has never got over Carlton fixing up Richmond in 1972 and 1982 (when her father was Secretary of Richmond) and never misses a chance to pot Carlton. All she ever writes is crap and you should ignore her articles and put them on the roll in the little house out the back. You can then finally get some use out of them by wiping your ar*e with them :!:

Puck Knuckle · **Joined:** Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:09 pm **Posts:** 54

waldo48 wrote:

I fully agree with you. Wilson is a bimbo masquerading as a journalist. She has never got over Carlton fixing up Richmond in 1972 and 1982 (when her father was Secretary of Richmond) and never misses a chance to pot Carlton. All she ever writes is crap and you should ignore her articles and put them on the roll in the little house out the back. You can then finally get some use out of them by wiping your ar*e with them :!:

But even if you are correct in everything you say and indeed Ms.Wilson is the devil incarnate -

What are our options? She is the most prominent writer in the second most well read paper in the city of Melbourne and her views carry alot of weight. It doesn't matter if you despise her for something she may have said against you or your Dad or your team or your religion, you still have to work with her because that's the position she holds.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:43 am

I didn't hear the interview but if Malouf really did invite her for a coffee and chat then she was re-miss in not following up on the story/hatchet job that she wrote mid week.

CARO to take on Malouf at 12.30 on 3AW.

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