Molsey I agree with you on people who feel the need to put spins on things.

I can however say that unless he is expectional at his chosen career the money wouldnt be anywhere as near as good as what we would be paying him - I say that from first hand knowledge.

I suspect he decided that his heart wasnt in it enough and when thats the case your bound to fail. It cant be easy @#$%&! up infront of thousands week in and week out. I thought like most big men he'd come of age of the next few years but thats something we will never know now.

Good luck to him in the future and congratulations for even having a career that most of us dream about. He has my respect for making a tough decision and for always trying his guts out.

I reckon Deluca wasn't to bad,he was good one week and then quiet the next,but i thought he would become handy like Earl Spalding was and became good enventually and be a hard guy for other clubs to match on.

That all depends...on what he was being paid (around $200,000?) and how long he would be under our employ.

Working Big Four, once qualified he'd be earning nowhere near that, but if he moved on to a partnership in a Big Four firm he'd be looking at around that at least...until age 45 or so and then he'd probably retire (again).

Being an accountant he probably assessed his current earning potential (only $200,000 in 2007 and likely delisting in 2008) as opposed to a lower wage for the next five to ten years and then much higher earning potential after obtaining his CA (plus opportunities to work O/S and/or move into non chartered accountancy areas) and the sums would've told him the quicker he got serious about his accountancy career the more money he would make/opportunities he would have in the long term.

So yeah, he may be forgoing a year of earning $200,000 but in the grand picture it's very short term pain...and PWC may not have wanted him only working one day a week any more.

A few years ago I was working two days a week in a second tier firm and was told by the firm I needed to decided which career path I wanted to take. Unlike De Luca I chose the more interesting one.

Verbs im not a qualified accountant but I am good at what I do and earn reasonable pay for it. What your saying is correct but believe me you sacrifice alot for it at a big tier firm. They really weed out the can and cannot't in life, but like anywhere you have to be prepared to sacrifice your soul.

Im in a position that I would like to be back at Uni but am unsure if im prepared to do it - at the same time a I deal with a lot of recruitment agencies that want my business so I at least have an impression out there that gives me a foot in where others without their PY or CPA dont.

For myself the opportunity to place AFL anywhere let alone the Blues would be a dream and being 35 I appreciate that you only have a short shelf life as a footballer - regardless of the level I play being told this year to stop on medical advice was hard enough but learning Im on 149 games with my club (been one club but we merged so its over 200) has made me more committed than ever to get really fit and get over the line .

Lifes not all about your career or footy and I hope Adrian sees that because it took me a long time - I did for nearly 20 years (yeah I worked since 16 fulltime) put my job ahead of anything and everything and I can tell you its not all its cracked up to be.

He's taken in my opinion a couragous decision and I hope he doesnt hit 50 and wonder what if?

If at 50 he's driving a convertible with an 18yo blonde in the passenger seat, you'll know he has. He won't be alone.

I am saddened by Archies departure. I'm really saddened at Carlton's loss.

As stated in many of my previous posts, I believed in him, and could see the potential this guy had. He was a young lanky player who had only been in the system for 3 years and taken at the age of 22. He surprised us all in his first year. He was difficult to match up on for the opposition in the FP, and he had good pace and mobility for a player his size, and was also gifted with a good kicking action.

I was looking forward to the time when he turned 26 in 2008, after a few more pre seasons to develop the upper body strength and hand strength needed to compete in the ruck and hold his position in marking duels; something he didn't have the opportunity to do at VFL level before he was drafted by Carlton.

This guy had everything going for him except for the supportive encouragement to keep persisting and developing to make it in the AFL(from his team's supporters).

He wasn't allowed the luxury given to others (in most other teams) to enjoy his development years from the supporters of the club he played for, who were so frustrated, dispirted and angry, they lost rational thinking and became desperate for someone to step up at a time when their club was at its lowest point in its history; and expected a young lanky kid in his 3rd year in the system wth an unreasonable and unrealistic expectation.

Archie was a victim of the club's frustration. The supporters failed to do their job and support.

However for his sake, and from an unselfish point of view I'm glad he decided to stop playing for Carlton. It hurt me everytime I heard Carlton supporters at the ground or read here on TC the gutter talk directed at him..... from Carlton supporters...and in front of his family and friends. Very embarassing.

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I'm with you Knackers...we'll now never know... his detractors never gave him a chance.

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Thanks for sharing that with us Rhys. There was also other times when the shit Archie was copping from Carlton supporters got to Fabian...when Carlton played in Adelaide there were many Carlton supporters at the Glenelg Hote after the game, where Fabian also was, when he blasted a couple of TCers for their (Carlton supporters') abusive and degrading treatment of his brother, and he made it clear that he would never play for Carlton, and hoped his brother went to a different team.

This is what some Carlton supporters have become...a rabble...of the lowest order...lacking class, lacking dignity....and an embarassment to supporters who support their club and every player who wears this Navy Blue jumper, as traditional supporters do and should do...you know who you are...and so do I.

Forget about Pagan....and all the excuses in the world.... Archie was always going to finish with us this year, and Fabian was never going to play with Carlton, and you sit there and wonder why Carlton is not an attractive club to come to play footy with, resulting in making it extremely difficult for the club to generate any desire in other good players to think of the possibility to join this once mighty club.

Thanks for your efforts Archie, and I understand your decision. I'd do the same as you if I didn't love this club as much as I do. Sorry about the unsavoury shit you undeservedly copped from some of our two faced feral supporters.

I hope you leave taking with you only the good thoughts of this great club and friendships you have made that will last you a life time.

You are a gentleman and will always be known as a one team player; a Carlton player. It's a pity we couldn't get your name on a locker at Princes Park.

Well done, thanks for the memories and good luck in your endeavours.

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would that be bacause i actually come out and say something instead of say nothing.

and i wouldnt say "as usual"

Now i just had a look at your post count .. its in the forties but i have never ever even heard of you...!!!

Anywa.. good to know you exist...

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And the coach too has a responsibility to understand how to treat people...he's paid to do that.

That stuff theat Keogh wrote about teachers responsibilities is so true...there must be a balance between encouragement and discipline if you are to earn respect.

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Pagan's style and time at our club is wearing thin.

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Well said keogh.

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Well said Seigfried.

Carlton's Houlihan is another one of the 'targets' of carlton supporters. We all know he has good skills and a good football brain, but he's considered 'too' soft by some, 'soft' by others, and should be delisted by some posters.

He's been in the system for 5 years now and only 24. Yes he embarrassingly pulled out of a contest in 2004, for everyone to see, but since then he's done a lot of gym work and put miles into his legs to become a stronger player.

Give him a break and encourage him...he's one of our own.

Waite is 23, and another who we expect to be a champion at such a young age, and unreasonably harshly treated by some posters. Give him a go, support him and believe in this kids potential to be a Carlton champion like his father was for this club. Support him, he's one of our own.

Don't worry when all the crap is sorted with this board and the coach (and it will happen as good Carltonians rally for change in the background) we will all realise when we look back that we are heading in the right direction as far as this list is concerned...and I give no credit to the board or the coach for these good players on our list.

Watch them grow and enjoy it. The years of frustration will soon be behind us.

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Ditto! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Deluca's decision in hindsight may not have been unexpected given what I saw in the Prelimin final against Sandy(VFL) At one point he marked the ball 30 m out but played on and lost the ball. Deluca was mentally shot. He had no confidence in himself.


Perhaps he wouldnt of made it anyway but coaches not only have to know footy they have to know players personalities as well.

Parkin in my view was the best in this department. He new if he stuck it up the dominator and got him to hate him the Dom would normally put in a blinder. Other players he admited he wouldnt do that to because they were sensitive introverts and the likely reaction would be a reduced playing peformance.

Pagan treats all the players the same way. he has no peoples skills. His time was up at the Kangaroos. Many players had enough of him.


Deluca had the most potential of all the big men. He had pace , mobility and could kick a goal. Not many 202 cm guys can do that.

I think Russell is in the same boat. I can see him really flourish under a new coach. Maybe he has been told of the impending future and that is why he has stayed. Lets hope so.

Carlton isn't the place for players who need to build their confidence. Deluca, Livo, Sporn etc. they were all doomed.

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Is Jordan Russell a confidence player?

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Gibbs will solve all our problems.
well minus the whole ruck thing.
well actually maybe he can just take the taps from their ruckman.
actually gibbs is the way.

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You could say all players need confidence but very few were as fragile Livingston. He just played like a man who was worried about being dropped everytime he took the field. Also didn't help that when he ever did get selected he had to play on a gun.

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Ken and Synbad are right, big things are happening behind the scenes.

The more I think about Livo's career at Carlton the more I respect him. He had an absolute nightmare of a run with us but always carried himself with class and professionalism. High up on my most highly respected list is Livo.

...and I agree JR needs plenty of positive encouragement and NOT someone excessively pressuring & hounding him.

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There's so much I could say...

I've been hearing these things behind the scenes for that long now that i'm starting to think that these so called people are just a figment of some persons imagination.

Either show yourselves and put yourself up for election or pierce off back into the never never land where i think these individuals come from. I'm just sick of hearing behind the scenes this, they will do this, they will do that. It's bollocks, come out and show your faces. Tell us HOW you will turn this club around. It's driving me insane

Anyhow, back onto Archie. He's absolutely, definitely one player on our list that should have absolutely no problem with anyone on the coaching or match committee staff. Being DP and the match committee's love child and getting games within our team just because he's tall just magnifies the mediocrity this club now aspires to.

He may be a great bloke, and i do wish him well in his future endeavours, but as a footballer he was extremely ordinary. I'm one that just isn't going to miss the easy dropped marks and the sand wedge kicks that constantly caused myself to close my eyes when our forwards were parked under yet another rain maker just waiting for a knee cap to the head from opposition defenders.

Lets be honest Bondi, to get to the level of finals aspirants and beyond, Adrian Deluca was never going to be the big man to help us get there.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Do you think putting together a ticket and challenging the board is something you do willy nilly? that it doesn't take a lot of effort? that it happens overnight? that it can't fall through easily?

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I said what I had to say on the matter., and I'm sticking to it.

One thing about what I've stated is that I've been consistent in what I believe and have said the same message since 2004 when he started. I took into consideration that he would have ups and downs and that 2004 was remakable and I didn't think he would repeat it in the next couple of years...he didn't...but I was targeting the age of 26 for him to break through.

Did you doubt him always tub?...and you reckon he had no hope for improvement in the next 2 years?

You maybe right or wrong...we'll now never know.

I just hope supporters give Russell and Hartlett encouragement whenever they play, train or are seen on the streets...and if we take Gibbs, I hope all supporters treat him with respect and remember that he's only an 18 yo kid, and not a 25-28 seasoned champion (yet).

Don't set too high expectations too early and don't kid yourselves they will make mistakes..but better in 2007 and 2008 rather than the 2010 GF.

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