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People really do underestimate Whitnall. He was in a lot of people's AA team at CHB, and was in the top 3 IMO for the year. Talk of of 2007 being his last year is just ridiculous.


Top 3 what?

Whos AA team????

Not the real one.. right????

Peoples AA team like you????

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captain..


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captain..

Hopefully he will reach those dizzy heights again he reached this year when he filled in as captain...inspiration personified...

How low can this club go???

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Synbad wrote:
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People really do underestimate Whitnall. He was in a lot of people's AA team at CHB, and was in the top 3 IMO for the year. Talk of of 2007 being his last year is just ridiculous.


Top 3 what?

Whos AA team????

Not the real one.. right????

Peoples AA team like you????


In the media. There were numerous sides throughout the year, where he was named as the CHB. I don't have the links, but if we can trust all your inside sources telling us the revolution is coming, but always tomorrow, or another excuse for it not happening, then you can trust me he was.


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Synbad wrote:
italian_styles wrote:
captain..

Hopefully he will reach those dizzy heights again he reached this year when he filled in as captain...inspiration personified...

How low can this club go???


:roll: So boring and so predictable.


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Dont worry about my sources...

Just remember i told you first!!!... :wink:


Anyway... lets get back on to you.. because you and a few others will have an opportunity to flame me if we have the same board / presidential set up next year... :-D


But what media??? :?

"Plenty of peoples top 3".. which peoples i asked.. you and people like you???... people without a clue???

What is his bone fide possie???

Young side and all.. so as captaincy material.. what frontline position does Lance play convincingly???

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By the way, guess who i met today?

FFFFEEEVVVOOOLLLAAA!!!! that's right i shook the great man's hand, spoke to the great man and tell u what he is an absolute TOP BLOKE.


Good on you Fevolution!!! Love your enthusiasm!


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I'd give it to Wiggo. He's probably the best example you could hope for in everything other than straight out talent and that sort of example is something that's been sadly lacking at Carlton for a long time.

Give me a captain lacking in talent who gives his all week in week out over a super talented cheque collector who looks like he can't be F@%&#! every time he runs out any day.


PS: I'm not joking... :lol:


Goodness me GWS!!! I've heard of thinking outside the square but this is certainly out there!!!

LOL - I'd go along with it just to see the reaction of a couple of my football friends. They are stressing over the fact Wiggins will soon have his name on the locker - haha, their reaction to him being made captain would be priceless!!!


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Synbad wrote:
Whats his natural position in our side??? :-D

He should be playing somewhere in the forward line. He can and has proven he can kick alot goals even though it was back in the days when he last kick a bag of goals in a season. In saying this I do not excuse him for being over weight and an overpayed player however he did have some bad injuries including one when he had Fevola rip into the back of him and did his shoulders. By the time we have this footy club sorted out properly Whitnall will be long gone retired. Our troubles run deep as you know and have stated.

Synbad if you were head coach of our club who would you appoint as captain right now and why?


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LOL - I'd go along with it just to see the reaction of a couple of my football friends. They are stressing over the fact Wiggins will soon have his name on the locker - haha, their reaction to him being made captain would be priceless!!!


Won't happen before 2008.

Didn't Walls once want Hulme as captain? :roll:


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As I said, I don't have the links, but yes I read a few this year. Mainly in the mid season break when the papers are printing speculative sides.

I think his best position is CHF, but for team purposes, CHB.

I also think he is the best canditate for captain. Who do you think should be?


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Whitnall ready to take captaincy


But are the playing group ready to have him?


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He can and has proven he can kick alot goals even though it was back in the days when he last kick a bag of goals in a season.


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He can and has proven he can kick alot goals even though it was back in the days when he last kick a bag of goals in a season.


:shock:

Well with Lance being out of the forward line full time for a few years whether he has been injured or back in defence, he can and has proven he can kick goals?! Hope taht made sense.


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ACHILLES wrote:
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IMHO a co-captain situation takes the gloss & status from the position. I still like the romance, the history, the honour boards etc.

I'd give it to Lance solely for the next 3yrs. After this time he will be 30, & more importantly, it can then be given to Murphy at age 21/22?



I read the heading of that article - Whitnall THROWS HIS WEIGHT behind Fevola. I wouldn't think it was wise for him to being throwing his weight anywhere.

Did you say Whitnall will be at the Blues for three years???

I hope not - surely 2007 will be his last year at the club.

The only value I can see in him is if he stays on the forward line. That backline experiment of "showing leadership" on the backline was ridiculous and easily exploited by the opposition.

eg west coast game - whitnall did ok first half against hansen - so they bring on Hunter to destroy him. Pagan had no plan b for whitnall. too predictable.


It's because our Midfield got smashed!
P-leeeaseee why would 2007 be his last year?
For someone who is not a natural defender did a bloody good job!



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Walls thinks that Waite would make a natural centre half back..
I would give it to Sentanta personally. I think he killed Hall in that round 22 match. There is no room for whitnall in defence. One needs players with speed and agility. :

It would be great to play Waite at CHB. But can Waite play CHB? Question is will Pagan do it so Lance can play in the forward line? A loose role is teh way to go with Lance as he can certainly read and set up the play better than most in our team.[/quote]

Pagan actually said in one of the post game press conferences last season that he wants to try Waite at CHB, but the injury to Kennedy has delayed that.

Personally, I wish he'd have tried him there at the end of the season, could easily have moved Whitnall forward.

Waite has the size and athleticism to play CHB, and the discipline needed to play there may actually be good for him (in a similar way to the way it refocused Kouta in the late 90s). And if he could play the role, it would be a massive positive. We can afford to not have him forward, and it would release Whitnall to go forward (or play loose across half back). It would be another step to a strong, attacking backline, with Thorton, Setanta, and hopefully at least one of Hartlett and Bower giving height and size back there.

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I definitely do not think he is an outstanding canditate, and it does reflect the lack of talent and leadership in the core 24-28 age group. This isn't surprising though when you read the thread on our best / worst draft under recruitment.

He is the best option though.


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We should have a revolving capataincy till someone bobs up that is captaincy material.
While everyone is training for next year.. Lance is on a bike.. because his body is falling apart.
Last year he started training late as well.. and even with that short spell at full pelt couldnt see out the year...

And he might be a forward but the clubs future is not in a player like Lance...

and yes i know you cant find the links... ..i must have hidden them...

Lance wasnt CHB he was loose man in defence.
Thats the possie you have when you dont have a possie.

Like i dont mind players being loose across half back.. but i prefer someone who can springboard the ball forward by running it and kicking off more than one step!

Why does Lance kick the ball off one step??
Is it because he is too slow to get back quickly enough and give it a ping properly..???.. or is it cos he is lazy....???

either way he is no MCLeod /Johncock/Hodge etc.

I dont like seeing kids taking the big names while our senior players bludge chasing cheap kicks.

Id like to see it go the other way so they can set an example...
I want to see the pressure come off some of the kids from time to time and allow them the creativity to play attacking footy...

No they cant...Lance Lappin Stevo etc have those roles all tied up while blokes like TBird get the big strong power forwrads and Walker gets the brownlow medalists week in week out.

Now thats ok... but if these kids know nothing but defensive roles in a shocking side... they will have their brillkiance blunted and they will be burnt.. while the senior players bludge across half back gathering nothing possies...

Senior players at other sides get REAL roles... kids get a variety of roles..

thats how it should work... but not at Carlton...!!!

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He can and has proven he can kick alot goals even though it was back in the days when he last kick a bag of goals in a season.


:shock:

Well with Lance being out of the forward line full time for a few years whether he has been injured or back in defence, he can and has proven he can kick goals?! Hope taht made sense.

Oh right - yep I've got it.

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ACHILLES wrote:
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ACHILLES wrote:
He can and has proven he can kick alot goals even though it was back in the days when he last kick a bag of goals in a season.


:shock:

Well with Lance being out of the forward line full time for a few years whether he has been injured or back in defence, he can and has proven he can kick goals?! Hope taht made sense.

Oh right - yep I've got it.


Alex Jesaulenko is a proven goalkicker statistics wise too.

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