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I didnt want to enter this bullshit argument becuase Im sick of seeing players slagged off by those who wish but cant do what he does but hey WTF.

Lance a few years ago was injured and out of shape and continued that way for a while. Sure the bloke probably does have issues with discipline when hit comes to what he eats and drinks but so do a lot of people.


Two preseasons ago he worked his but off to show up at preseason in good shape - remember the training with tyre etc. He had a reasonable year that year.

Last preseason he showed up a bit overweight but still with a reasonable base of fitness behind him and had a good preseason which led to a B&F.

This preseason he has show up in exemplary shape and raring to go.
He is 27 years old and potentially could play to 33 if he continues to do the right thing.

For those that dont know we hit our physical peak at 27-28 in life and Lance at this stage in life is in the best shape he has ever been.

Now for those who argue that this is exactly the reason we should have traded him - its all down hill from now, the bloody window of opportunity has gone, think for a minute about the window of opportunity our club is about to enter.

If Lance has a big season again this year and Yes its a BIG IF (but he really hasnt done much wrong the last few years so ill give him the benefit of doubt) think of the positives. We are a team desperately lacking in experienced footballers yet starting to brim with young talent. Walker, Simmo, Murphy, GIBBS, Bower and co can learn alot from a smart footballer. They are the modern footballers that he isnt but they can also learn how to set themselves up and read the play from a bloke who really is one step (and needs to be) ahead of the opposition.

Dont tell me he's a bad influence becuase of his diet or he leaves the training track early. For starters the club employ's dieticians who monitor what the kids eat (actually every player) and instruct them about nutrition. Now if we dont have a dietician thats not Lances F@%&#! fault.
Secondly if as many here claim Lances body cant withstand the rigours of all the training is it any wonder he leaves the track early? - It's called preventative maintenance and most clubs allow for it with their players. The coaching staff are responsible for when, where, how long and how intense we train so if their not complaining why is everyone here? - Again its their fault as it is their responsibility for when trainings seesions start and finish not a players. All the players are required to do is show up and train as hard as they can and from what Ive read the last few years Lances has fullfilled this requirement.

If our young players are influenced by Lances behaviour around the club then their sheep and god knows we have enough sheep for supports without needing any as players.



i can do what Lance does.. i can go to Porcheta and eat a family with extra cheese and salami... but im not being paid to rock up to work in peak physical condition...and yes i have a bike too... (Like Lance)....

and you reckon players have a responsibility to do the bare minimum do you???

No wonder were going backwards in a rate of knots...

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Keogh I agree with the Sticks v Murphy agrument and the age thing etc. I just see something in that kid that smacks of a person with maturity beyond their years. Yes next year is far too soon but after another two season I can see the merit. He'll be up to 50 odd games and have probably proven his metle in battle. I bet WC would have loved Judd to have wanted the captaincy rather than have had it forced on him. I suspect he would have had it a while back if he showed a want for it.


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After almost a decade of dormancy, Carlton will re emerge in a dramatic and for Carlton supporters, very exciting way.

This future flag winning Carlton side is a very very young one.

Many of the very young players that will be in that side are here now, but not all.

Although a significant number of the players in that side are with us at this point, it is a side that is effectively a football generation away from that which we have in late 2006.

This is because many of our young players are probably 50 matches or more away from being ready in a football experience sense to do the deeds that they will do at that time.

Although Fevola may well be a player in this fateful side of the future, sadly, other older players might not be there.

Lance unfortunately may well be a player that for a number of reasons is not in that 17th flag winning team.

Looking at things from this perspective, I do feel that if Lance is at least a co-captain during this transitional period leading up to our new dawn, it would be something that appropriately honours a Carlton player that has so loyally stuck with his club during the worst period in its long history.

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Typical @#$%&! reply Synbad. Where did I say bare minimum? I said bust his arse on the track and do what the club requires. Thats what I have seen over the past few years from the bloke.

Carlton God made you look like a clown and given it was from him it must of stung. Hell no dont trade Lance for Judd - what on earth are you thinking a Rolls Royce for a flash in the pan show pony. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing. :roll:


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Blue World I dont disagree with what you have said but what I said is have you spoken with them? Again its a mate of a mate who knows someone. Yes I read Lappins comments - Matty is one of my favourite players and I was really disappointed in his form this year. Do you remember he held us to ransom last year over his contract negotiations. Whos to say his form this year wasnt a direct result over his anger regarding those negotiations.

I think the way he conducted himself in repect to Fev was great but at the end of the day he still voiced disharmony in the club and allowed the media to take another swipe at us. Thats shit. We should be keeping our problems in house at all times and more in particular at these times when the dogs are barking.

I reckon you'll find that the team is far more behind each other than the media would let us believe. Look at the relationships in the club at the moment. The four blokes considered Captaincy material are Lappo and Fev(both mates) and Lance and Stevo(again both mates) - its not hard to see the media playing on that.

Id prefer to see the club take a risk and offer Co Captaincy to Lance and Murphy with the intention of telling Lance your here because we value your smarts and we want to apprentice Murphy to you with the intention of having him be sole leading after two seasons. Lets lead the way for once instead of copying other methods if we must.

To the rest of you you are all F@%&#! sheep. Address what I said - dont base your opinions on others with so called contacts and first hand knowledge and what they have all read and skirt around what I was saying.

Must be great to be part of the popular crowd without a real opinion of your owns. Our club is in disarray and you all agree yet all you can say is "yeah what he said" thats why we are in disarray, becuase Elliot had sheep who hung off his word and said yes to everything.

Say something constructive or say nothing at all.


Great post Mark No 3.


What was so good about it???

Its actually very simplistic..... he is saying we shouldnt believe the media.. but then also says "because elliot had sheep who hung off his every word"

Just one puzzling post.....

But thats what happens when you breath too much la la land air and drink too much happy water...

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As I have said there are only 2 possible candidates for the Captaincy.
Whitnall

Fevola


No CoCaptains Thats a wank fest


Which bloke would the majority of the list want.?????


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Co captains...

Id make a new captain each every week...

There are no obvious captains.. so it should be shared.

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Thats it yet again deflect attention and address anything that anyone says who may disagree with you. You should be a politician but I forget you the Shepherd.


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keogh wrote:
The difference with Murphy and Sticks was that Sticks had played Senior footy for Glenelg prior to 1986. Murphy is only 19 and has played 13 games.You cant give him the captaincy now. 2years time maybe.

Sticks was about 23 24 when he took over from Sellers and had played about 5 years of Senior footy. The SANFL was a stronger comp at that time than its now.


Spot on Keogh, Kernahan was already a Premiership player in SA before he ame over, and polled the most votes in the Magery Medal (was suspended so was ineligable to win). In his first season in the VFL (1986) he kicked 62 goals from CHF.

The comparisons between Kernahan being made captain in '87, and any of Murphy, Walker, Simpson etc being made captain for '07 are mute. The surest way we could set this Club back is to appoint one of these guys as captain and risk killing his development as a footballer.

Luke Hodge is the standout captain in waiting at Hawthorn, yet they have resisted the temptation to appoint him for fear that he is not ready. And Hodge's preformance to date are miles ahead of Murphy, Walker, Simpson et al, in terms of number of quality games played over a period of time, and feeling like a player belongs comfortably in the big league.

Similarly, St Kilda took the risk with Ball, and many believe it had a detrimental impact on his football.

As much as we wish it were otherwise, those young kids are simply not ready for the captaincy. They are still focused on establishing themselves as league footballers. Let them do that without the burden of leading the Club.

Our captain for next year, and probably 2008, must come from the senior players, Kouta, Whitnall and Stevens. Lappin's form last season rules him out.

As for Fevola, he simply cannot be considered, even if the other candidates are considered weak. His history up until this year was poor, he had a good nine months, and stuffed up again. Ahd while putting someone in a headlock for 15 seconds may, to some, not be enough to discount him from the role, on top of his previous 8 years, it shows he is simply not worthy of the accolade to lead this great Club.

I know others will say similar things about Whitnall and Stevens, and whilst their efforts may not have been exemplary, they are, IMHO, far beyond that of Fevola.

Appointing Fevola as captain of the CFC for 2007 will denegrate the position for years to come.

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SA Blue wrote:
I, like a lot of others are getting sick of people backing there posts with, 'I heard from someone', or 'An inside source told me'. In reality we have have little idea of the players feel about Lance and whether he is respected. Lance has had a great past 2 seasons, and contrary to Synbad's revisionist history, regularly took the number one forward, and led the defence and marshalled the players. This type of on field leadership has put him in a good position to become captain.


Well you can not believe me if you want but I do have it on good authority that the other players don't respect Lance & don't want him as captain. Do you think that would be good for the club?


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The effect any of our seniopr players will have on the captaincy will be felt for years at end.,

and thats why it must be shared.. so the responsibility is shared...

The problem is too few feel responibility...and that needs to be addressed..

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The effect any of our seniopr players will have on the captaincy will be felt for years at end.,

and thats why it must be shared.. so the responsibility is shared...

The problem is too few feel responibility...and that needs to be addressed..


What are your thoughts on Scotland being captain, Synners?

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And thats the issue. Who do appiont as Captain. There are risks with every player far more than other clubs.

But co captains in my view dont work. One captain with some deputies in attendance to assist.

Fevola is worth the risk. I have a gut feeling.


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phoenix johnson wrote:
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The effect any of our seniopr players will have on the captaincy will be felt for years at end.,

and thats why it must be shared.. so the responsibility is shared...

The problem is too few feel responibility...and that needs to be addressed..


What are your thoughts on Scotland being captain, Synners?


pj Scotland like everyone else at the club should get a taste of responibility.. leadership and accountability.

Its easy to say.. "Were carlton we dont have co captains"

But the world is moving very rapidly and if youre not dynamic enough to make the changes that suit your plight at any given moment.. youre dead!!!... at least left behind... and thats whats happening to us right now.

Revolving captaincy until it suits us to change..

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Lance....why....coz he will be.....don't need a reason.


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I think the Fev is dynamic enough. Isnt time for the club to have the gonads to make a tough decision. Fev could become a fine captain

Look At Carey. Not exactly a pillar of society but it didnt matter when they were out on the field. And Fev isnt anywhere Carey in the playing stakes.

But there is some similarity. Not exactly squeeky clean both of them.


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chubbyruss wrote:
IMHO Stevens is a class act & should be given a crack at the captaincy, so long as he runs through the banner.


AWWWWWWWWWW STEVENS.

I luv Stevens....but hammer hates him.....i like hammer.


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Maybe we go with Synbads policy of having a different Captain every week. Round 12 Houlihan leads the team to victory just like Captain Blood in the 30's


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keogh wrote:
I think the Fev is dynamic enough. Isnt time for the club to have the gonads to make a tough decision. Fev could become a fine captain


It's not a question of wether Fevola is dynamic, no doubt he is.

Quite simply, Fevola does moronic things, way too often. And jhust as everyone was hailing him as a changed individual, he did another moronic thing, just to prove all his fans wrong.

I do not want a moron as the leader of this great Club.

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