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In today's Sunday Sun....Scot Palmer's Punchlines has a small par.....

"Don't for a second think peace reigns at Carlton where an assault on the Board is being meticulously planned."

"There is still uncertainty about when the Annual General Meeting will be held; but whether it is late next month or in March next year; a challenge will be mounted"

"The name of it's leader remains closely guarded"


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They are people who could run an Essendon* maybe.. if the infrustructure / business was right and solid.

They had no clue on how to run a North Melbourne.. Bulldogs.. CARLTON.

they were not prepared to do anything else but run it on tight budgets.
they took their eye off the ball because they forgot you have to grow it.. and you cant grow anything if you dont get alittle bit adventurous.

Tjhey did the first bit well.. they went in they saw what needed to be cut and bring the books back.. but then there has to be a day that you take a chance.. you take a step forward.. and you stake a flag there and then you keep going.

We just didnt take any chances.. we didnt look at any businessplans or real blueprints into the future because we were too busy cost cutting.

There are two sides to any business. One is bottom line.. the other is top line.

We dont have a business.. were further into debt and were expecting to be kept on life support by the AFL...

That was the easy option.. the harder option was to find the money...develop a plan.. build side businesses.. invest into the kids and development and begin strategies into the future that were cutting edge..

We just ran the club steady as it she goes with no imagination.

On and off the field.. and were paying for it.


Now this I can understand and agree with. It's not about the incompetence of the current board who have done their jobs in one respect. It is more about horses for courses and having the right people for the right time.

Very much a 'thanks for your efforts but we are now not progressing, we'll take it from here' scenario.

This was my issue with Smorgon when he replaced Collo. Just seemed to be more of the same. We needed Collo to stop the massive bleeding, he did this but knew nothing of physiotherapy to get the club back to full health again.

Sometimes, the right phrasing can appeal to the all parties.


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The Old Dark Navy's wrote:
Synbad wrote:
They are people who could run an Essendon* maybe.. if the infrustructure / business was right and solid.

They had no clue on how to run a North Melbourne.. Bulldogs.. CARLTON.

they were not prepared to do anything else but run it on tight budgets.
they took their eye off the ball because they forgot you have to grow it.. and you cant grow anything if you dont get alittle bit adventurous.

Tjhey did the first bit well.. they went in they saw what needed to be cut and bring the books back.. but then there has to be a day that you take a chance.. you take a step forward.. and you stake a flag there and then you keep going.

We just didnt take any chances.. we didnt look at any businessplans or real blueprints into the future because we were too busy cost cutting.

There are two sides to any business. One is bottom line.. the other is top line.

We dont have a business.. were further into debt and were expecting to be kept on life support by the AFL...

That was the easy option.. the harder option was to find the money...develop a plan.. build side businesses.. invest into the kids and development and begin strategies into the future that were cutting edge..

We just ran the club steady as it she goes with no imagination.

On and off the field.. and were paying for it.


Now this I can understand and agree with. It's not about the incompetence of the current board who have done their jobs in one respect. It is more about horses for courses and having the right people for the right time.

Very much a 'thanks for your efforts but we are now not progressing, we'll take it from here' scenario.

This was my issue with Smorgon when he replaced Collo. Just seemed to be more of the same. We needed Collo to stop the massive bleeding, he did this but knew nothing of physiotherapy to get the club back to full health again.

Sometimes, the right phrasing can appeal to the all parties.



Interesting times indeed. Organisational theory talks volumes about managing v leading. Synbad is spot on and our club is in that transition phase from managing (just) to leading. Carlton took a huge risk with Barassi in the mid 60's and used the exisiting rules to forge a path to greatness. The rules have changed, we just have to know them, acknowledge them and use them to the best advantage of our once (and hopefully soon to be again) mighty club. It has been a terrible past 4 - 5 years, a few more months waiting is worth it to get it right!
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Oh and by the way... i would expect Sticks to fall onto his sword this time.
He has twice backed the wrong man .. and clearly has no idea about business and running an organisation.

should be no more than a club ambassador.

Do the right thing Sticks..


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Synbad wrote:
They are people who could run an Essendon* maybe.. if the infrustructure / business was right and solid.

They had no clue on how to run a North Melbourne.. Bulldogs.. CARLTON.

they were not prepared to do anything else but run it on tight budgets.
they took their eye off the ball because they forgot you have to grow it.. and you cant grow anything if you dont get alittle bit adventurous.

Tjhey did the first bit well.. they went in they saw what needed to be cut and bring the books back.. but then there has to be a day that you take a chance.. you take a step forward.. and you stake a flag there and then you keep going.

We just didnt take any chances.. we didnt look at any businessplans or real blueprints into the future because we were too busy cost cutting.

There are two sides to any business. One is bottom line.. the other is top line.

We dont have a business.. were further into debt and were expecting to be kept on life support by the AFL...

That was the easy option.. the harder option was to find the money...develop a plan.. build side businesses.. invest into the kids and development and begin strategies into the future that were cutting edge..

We just ran the club steady as it she goes with no imagination.

On and off the field.. and were paying for it.


Right on the mark Synbad

A small group (approx 20) received a briefing from Smorgan and Malouf Wednesday just gone.

Malouf has come in and made cuts and reduced most of our spending - he had to. We are running so tight at the moment there is no cash for us to actually make some necessary in roads to compete with the other clubs.

I appreciate that Smorgan and Malouf gave us their time on Wednesday and I believe they have achieved as much as they can. We have made some small in roads in to our debt but we are still so far behind most other clubs and at this rate we will not be in the black for a very long time.


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Malouf has come in and made cuts and reduced most of our spending - he had to. We are running so tight at the moment there is no cash for us to actually make some necessary in roads to compete with the other clubs.


Hypothetical: If a new ticket was taking over and there was no money forthcoming to get us back into a cash positive position, would that new ticket also be forced to remain conservative to survive? If they threw caution to the wind and tried to spend money to make money, would a potential failure then cause the club to fold?

I know we are not talking about this scenario now. I'm just wondering if our financial situation is so bad that all the visionarys in the world wouldn't be able to get us out of it without this cash injection.


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Malouf has come in and made cuts and reduced most of our spending - he had to. We are running so tight at the moment there is no cash for us to actually make some necessary in roads to compete with the other clubs.


Hypothetical: If a new ticket was taking over and there was no money forthcoming to get us back into a cash positive position, would that new ticket also be forced to remain conservative to survive? If they threw caution to the wind and tried to spend money to make money, would a potential failure then cause the club to fold?

I know we are not talking about this scenario now. I'm just wondering if our financial situation is so bad that all the visionarys in the world wouldn't be able to get us out of it without this cash injection.

its all about belief.
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Fair call, but that wasn't my question. My question is whether this new ticket would be able to do the job without the cash influx. In other words, would a progressive thinking board be able to turn it all around without the cash to implement their progressive plans and if they did take a punt using money we don't have and their plan failed, would that spell the end of the club?

I'm merely suggesting that there can be reasons for being so conservative and with no promise of a cash injection, the current administration might very well have no option but to do what they are doing.


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Fair call, but that wasn't my question. My question is whether this new ticket would be able to do the job without the cash influx. In other words, would a progressive thinking board be able to turn it all around without the cash to implement their progressive plans and if they did take a punt using money we don't have and their plan failed, would that spell the end of the club?

I'm merely suggesting that there can be reasons for being so conservative and with no promise of a cash injection, the current administration might very well have no option but to do what they are doing.

When a change happens it will include money.
Now noone is prepared to give money to someone who has no businessplan are they?

So my guess would be if the money is coming in its cos they have faith in a plan.

Then again nothing might happen and its a status quo with no plan.. no direction and no money.. (excpet of course what the AFL give us at a cost0

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Synbad wrote:
When a change happens it will include money.
Now noone is prepared to give money to someone who has no businessplan are they?

So my guess would be if the money is coming in its cos they have faith in a plan.


So if Smorgon had a workable plan, the money would come in? I'm hearing that Smorgon isn't liked so the money would not come regardless of his intentions. The new ticket while not aligned with Elliott, probably have more in common with the previous administration than the ones that overthrew them ... would that be correct? So the money would be more about personalities than plans. Obviously the want to see a plan going forward but may not be the deciding factor. Would that be a fair assessment?


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i think of smorgon did everything correctly... he would get a hand from a few people.
I hear the AFL report was damaging for Smorgon and Malouf in the way they have attempted to turn the club around.
I think smorgon wouldnt get any support because his philosophies on how the club should be run are alien to the entertainment industry....

It might have something to do with personalities as well.. but show me a Smorgon/Malouf inspired introduction in how to run this club better ....

The problem is it doesnt exist... its steady as she goes and the AFL can bail us out without the club putting forward any real plans on how we should go forward....

But plans are what corporates and moneymen want to see...

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Okay, makes sense.

Bottom line, I'm voting for the money, not necessarily the plan as the lack of money makes any plan unlikely to succeed. Once the debt is gone, I'll take notice of the plan. ;)


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Okay, makes sense.

Bottom line, I'm voting for the money, not necessarily the plan as the lack of money makes any plan unlikely to succeed. Once the debt is gone, I'll take notice of the plan. ;)

Anything that includes money has a plan.. thats why there is money.

Noone gives millions to anyone without a plan....Thats how life is...

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Noone gives millions to anyone without a plan....Thats how life is...


Except the AFL :lol:

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Noone gives millions to anyone without a plan....Thats how life is...


Except the AFL :lol:

nah they want their pound of flesh for it....

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Yeah, I think it was the AFL who had the plan there


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Synbad wrote:
Anything that includes money has a plan.. thats why there is money.

Noone gives millions to anyone without a plan....Thats how life is...
Yes but the money is coming in for a plan to progress from a cash positive position, not from the position the current admin is in. One plan would be harder than the other to pull off surely.


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Anything that includes money has a plan.. thats why there is money.

Noone gives millions to anyone without a plan....Thats how life is...
Yes but the money is coming in for a plan to progress from a cash positive position, not from the position the current admin is in. One plan would be harder than the other to pull off surely.


But Smorgon is one of the 10 richest people in Australia ... and he doesnt put in any money .. because he doesnt believe in himself... so why would anyone else put money in?
These people wil be putting in their own money...and have a plan that will attract money

see the difference???

But anyway... i know its all too hard for you to understand....the concept of faith in investment...

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Synbad wrote:
But Smorgon is one of the 10 richest people in Australia ... and he doesnt put in any money .. because he doesnt believe in himself... so why would anyone else put money in?
These people wil be putting in their own money...and have a plan that will attract money

see the difference???


The reasons for Smorgon not putting in MORE money (he already has put in IIRC) are pure speculation on your behalf. Let's stick to the known huh?

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But anyway... i know its all too hard for you to understand....the concept of faith in investment...


It raises its ugly head again. I said I'd support whoever brings in the money but because I ask questions and don't blindly accept everything, you go and turn into a smug wanker again. (I'll take the yellow card gladly Mrs C).

Do you really rate yourself that much? You really have no heart for a two sided conversation do you Synbad?


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