*hic*..........!


kindest regards tommi

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I just hope that the club will actually start communicating with me as a member, rather than promoting a channel 7 show just because our ex-captain happens to be on it.

Perhaps I've missed something but I would have thought you are arguing against your own point.

Dont underestimate the people who are putting money in. They didnt become wealthy by throwing money away. They will require the right people in place with the right ideas and credentials.
You require the right philosophies to be able to create and implement a viable business plan.
The backers will make sure those on their ticket will have those credentials.

If Smorgon and Malouf had a viable business plan, including revenue sourcing, it would be far easier for everyone.
Apart from AFL handouts, they are bereft of ideas.
We need imagination and creativity to complement the conservative approach.
Lets put the right people in place and give them an opportunity.

We've waited 5 years for the incumbent board to produce a viable business plan and I'm yet to see one.
I'm willing to give another well credentialled group the chance to improve on that!

At least they'll keep the wolf from the door in the interim.

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Back to the topic,

Blue Thunder on Big Footy (so it must be true!) is saying that Smorgon has been given a deadline until the end of today to resign from the Board. If he goes, then we should see a bloodless coup.

Hints about something going on from Justin Madden and the SEN breakfast crew this morning too.

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

I dont know why some of you are even wasting the band width argueing this point , so far we have had a group of posters who say they are in the know who say there is a rival ticket being formed and they we put in a whole lot of money have a plan and yippy do da number 17 ,18 ,19 are here .
but who are they ?????
how much ???
Whats thier plan?????

so far we have see nothing, zilch, nada , bugger all and diddlely squat from them , do they think they can come along at the last minute and say here you go and all the members will roll over and vote them in . BULLSHIT.

what the most likely scenario is going to be there are four people up for elections on the board - two have already indicated there desire to leave and one other will probably lose their position . the end result is there might be a shift of power on the board level . I reckon the rest is just wishful thinking . What buisness man in this day and age will sink loads of money into an organisation with no return . The most likely scenario IF there is going to be a board spill will be better sponsorship deals than the current arrangement .


you have to remember when Pagan was in trouble weeks back 85% of talk back and feed back polls on the net supported Pagan . Whos to say when the so called rebels arrive that 85 % is not going to support the current board

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Good point. The world is full of simpletons.

In our case, it's call the "blind leading the blue".

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Surely not. Not if they are bringing the money. The most diehard Smorgon allie would have to vote for anyone else bringing the money to the club. At this moment, it is all that matters. Money breeds money and if aren't living hand to mouth, you can afford to be more inventive with the way you move forward.

I believe they will walk it in, and I hope it is seamless so the media have little to report on but the future.

so the rival ticket comprises of Big Jack Missus- Pixie Skase and Dr Geoffory Edleston are you going to support it are you

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Only if Pixie gets to be President.

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I'm not potting them. In % terms of my income I'll give Smorgon & Co 2% of it. New board comes in and I will still give them 2%. The people with the "real" money are potting them I am just making the observation.

BV wrote



I think you have missed the point. The point is consistent as it is perhaps subtle.

ODN is pointing out that the current board can't source money to do anything innovative, so they fail whether they have a plan or not, all because they can't attract the money needed to turn the big ship around.

If both groups had the same amount of money, and the club wasn't in debt (incidently the current board, as stated, inherited the debt, not created it), we would not having this kind of an argument about the current board....maybe a different one.

As ODN stated the discussion id purely semantics (on both sides) and like him this discussion is not an attack of any side and does not preclude support for the moneymen with a their very own new plan....in fact the suggestion is to bring it on.

I, like ODN, do not like the bagging and pot shots of Carlton people trying to do the right thing, but can't. They've had their turn, and they will move aside perhaps when they see the size of the forthcoming investment and benefit they bring to the club. Until then though we have no alternative, and do not require to slander Carltonians doing their best for Carlton, however conservative they are. We just need to be more considerate with who we take pot shots at and why.

If/ when challenged, and the current board still doesn't have the plan to get us out of this financial mess and the new ticket has the money (assuming they are not Jack, Pixie and Edelsten) and the plan and require positions on the board to make the salvation happen, and then the Smorgon camp wanted to fight to retain their positions without seeing the benefit to Carlton from the new ticket, then that's when the real trouble starts...so why start taking pot shots now on TC when no party, supporters or members have been presented with anything to consider, other than the present status quo we all dislike?



No one underestimates the power of the dollar, and excuse my indulgence in responding on your points ODN, but BV, no one is stating this point.



Fair enough, and that's the advantage for this group.



And that's exactly ODN's point....excuse my indulgence again ODN...perhaps I should say, that's exactly what I read into ODN's comments...the current board doesn't have a plan to get us out of the financial mess we're in, and if there is a ticket to get us out of this quagmire....bring it on!!

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That's ridiculous. Jack and the doctor are both experienced presidents who support Carlton. You have no idea, or evidence, as to whether Pixie barracks for our club, and until you do, I'm not taking your post seriously.

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My 2 cents:

The fact that the current board have been unable to generate sufficient income independent of the AFL (sponsorships, donations, corporate support) is entirely their responsibility. That's what they're there for.

Why couldn't they do this? It's clear that those who may be willing to support the club financially (corporates and individuals) have a lack of faith in where the club's at off-field - rightly or wrongly.

In my opinion, you get your shit together first, then you get the money. The fact that Smorgo is one of Australia's richest individuals, and obviously well connected, and still doesn't want to put in anything like the money other individuals have from other clubs, tells you that he probably believes he'd just be shovelling money into a deep, dark hole.

The board we have at the moment is divided, lacking confidence, bereft of ideas, and unable to source funding. Not surprising, given how quickly the core of it was chucked together during the Carlton One days.

It's a moot point to question whether or not smorgo & co would do much better with the sort of funding a new board may be able to bring. That's like saying that Mark Athorn would have been a better player if he was more like Greg Williams.

The board has three main roles: create an income-generating environment, source that income, then spend it wisely. It's clear that the current lot are hopeless at the first two, and unproven at the third, because their hopelessness at the first two means they'll never get a crack at spending anything, wisely or otherwise.

John M wrote



Great post John M.

Your 2 cents worth is probably worth $20M and 40,000 members.

The above discussion is all semantics...I guess a by product of the off season...I wish now I wasn't involved. Yet on a positive note, the discussion has highlighted that divisions within the club are not entirely at board level, but also amongst the supporter base.

It is important at times like this we are united and we stick up for each other with the kind of respect that makes all Carltonians feel as one.

We all agree that the current board has had its day, and we are in dire need for the renaissance to begin....bring it on!!

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Agree......this board have failed to attract money and they have to wear the responsibility....there seems to be money around from influential supporters but they wont be throwing it at a board who they have no faith in and are waiting for the right candidates to take over the running of the club before we see the colour of their money...which is fair enough.

This present board obviously know there are influential supporters waiting to step in with the money to alleviate our problems and I'm sick of the games and political rubbish...the present board should resign on mass and open the club up to new elections and let the money come into the club so we can all move forward.....we are like some african third world nation that has food and aid waiting at the docks but dont have the infrastructure to get it to the starving masses and are being hindered by political bickering.....

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Jack I wasn't seriously suggesting that those three were the ones . I was trying to get the point accross that its seems to be a for gone conclusion that the board spill is going to happen because the new ticket has piles of money . We don't even know who they are regardless of how much money they have . You cant blindly go voting in a new board just because they bring their cheque book along . Look what happen to Sydney in the Edelston days.

Lets see who they are - listen to what they have to say and then vote accordingly . This notion that the new ticket is going to give Smorgan an ultimatum to stand down or face a challenge is a joke . How does this rebel group even know they have the support they need

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Whoo Hoo!! Then, the WHOLE board can be off with the Pixies...!!

*Sound of door slamming behind me...*

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"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

I see you finally went through with the irony bypass Sydney...

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No, the point is irrelevant.
The current board have failed to attract corporate support.
The current board have failed to adequately service the existing corporate supporters.

Debating what the differences would be if they were both on equal footing is irrelevant.
The point is they're not.....thank God..

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