Still reckon the media is the best way to go about it. If someone was to write an article saying that a group of (influential??? ) Carlton supporters were concerned at the way this report was handled by the CEO/President, that the damning of those two was not shared with others...yada yada yada...I think that would force the issue into public discussion, and put pressure on the report to be released, or at least discussed in more detail.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Totally agreed.

So we start by asking politely???

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Why not? Ring The Age in the morning..."good morning, this is Synbad calling for Caroline Wilson please..."

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I think you would need to see whether there is some basis in the Corporations Law to have them removed. Then you would need to see what the standing rules are for a member to initiate an action in these circumstances. Once you think you have a basis to file and habe standing, you would then write to the parties in question -- namely the officers of the Club you are seeking to remove requesting the information you're seeking -- and demand that you want the report to see whether it confirms your concerns as a member and if they fail to produce, you'll proceed with your action. I shouldn't say too much more as you should get much better advice than I am able to offer but this is essentially the process. Note: the action can't merely be a fishing expedition but I think the motivation for action is clear that you have grave concerns about the competence of those involved and the direction they are taking the Club.

It might work if i call as 'Deepthroat of Carlton'...]

Look if we can draft a letter to the club and its not addressed.. im sure we can find alteranative routes...to turn the screws...

But i think its only worth doing if its a group concern.. not just mine...

fjanyc.. thanks for the info.. hope you and yours are great and we can catch up again at the footy..

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What about seeing if there's anything in the club Constitution about such matters

If you want it fast then call Mick (Gatto that is)..............it should be on your desk by lunchtime Friday (at the latest)!

how bout a balaclava and a lightning raid - wonder where you should look

or forge the AFL document "wink wink" damning CFC's management and send it to CARO - GS sues for libel - it goes to court and we find out whats in the original.


seriously why are you interested in the document ? we all know their incompetence has reched stratospheric heights

what I wanna know is this challenge still going ahead? cos the way I see it ,its the only thing thats going to lift the gloom baby

Each time a move gets hit on the head its harder and it makes others stay away.

The problem is noone wants a shitfight.. and blood.. and this board are playing on that to scare away all comers...

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In all likliehood Bruce Mathieson is on the boat fishing for Marlin somewhere between the Gold Coast and the tropical north with wife Jill.

Phone might be out of range - but i'd expect the fax machine to be getting a good workout since last night. I'll send a polite request for a leak in the morning and see what comes of it. If anyone might be ready to hand over a document it might be Mr. Bojangles - especially after these comments no more than 2 weeks ago...

"I'm out of there," he said. "What they do now is up to them. I have no intention of challenging anyone."

He might have no intention of challenging - but I wouldn't be surprised if he's assisting someone else to challenge. I'll leave you with this last Mathieson quote from April this year.

"I like people who stand up in the hard times. They're a lot more impressive than those who stand up in the good times. We are looking for people to come on board and if we find the right people and the time is right for me to go then I'll go."

thats dissapointing cos i would have thought that a shitfight would have been the only way to get rid of the present incumbents / incompetents

GS doesnt strike me as the sort of bloke that would go easily

And im now wondering whats the motivation for Gleeson to side with GS , self interest no doubt

If thats the case though the 100 signatures are required to spill the board

The question I have is, whose intellectual property is it? It was commissioned by the AFL , paid for by the AFL and they were under no obligation to release its findings, so why would we be targetting Carlton instead of the AFL for full public disclosure? A legal fight to access this private document is a waste of time in my opinion. Nothings gets sorted out quickly by our legal system. l'd rather see our energies devoted to removing the current board via an EGM.

theres a difference between coming last or being a total spastic / incompetent / negligent

Coming last might still mean your OK - youve just had a bad day or year and there still may be some upside

I say try MABO and if that dont work spill the board

Do we really need an AFL document to tell us they don't know what they're doing?

We already know they are hopeless, they know themselves that they are hopeless.

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But you're all missing the point of Synbad's posts:

is anyone interested in seeing the document?????

So what Synbad, Is this supposed challenge now over because they are to chicken for a fight ?

Gee this is the problem with this club, no one wants to do whats best for Carlton instead worrying about the outcome for themselves. Its all too hard it seems for anyone..........

If this supposed challenge is scaring them, then they are not the right people for the job.........

Yes, now go get it Molly

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How about this?

Draft a letter to the board. Written on behalf of a significant group of members, state that these members are unhappy with the performance of the board and that the lack of transparency is extremely concerning.

Say that as members we don't consider a list of goals to be a plan, and that each time a 3 year plan is announced it never seems to get mentioned again. It's just replaced the next year by another 3 year plan.

Say that the information that has been realsed from the Watts report is extremely concerning, and that as members of the club we believe that we have a right to see the report.

End saying that as members we no longer have any faith in the board to act on our behalf. Include at least 100 members names, numbers and signatures and say that without resolution of these issues, we feel our only course of action is to force a spill of the board. We feel it would be regrettable to have to take that action, due to the financial implications to the club, and the instability it would bring, but that we can't allow things to continue as they are.

It would need a lot more thought than that, but it's something I'd sign and I think it's your best chance of getting some sort of response.

I believe we have to place considerable pressure for this club to come clean about the real state of the club.

As members we deserve to know where the club lies financially .
We deserve the right to know how the clubs performance was assessed off field by the people administering it.
We deserve transparency as was promised to us.

If we dont place any pressure on this mob were just going to go backwards as they continue covering their own arse...

We didnt use to care.... because we thought the club was in good hands.
do we care now???

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The only way this can happen now is for a new ticket to show their hand and challenge the existing board and part of their platform would be a committment to tell the members how it is once they are in.

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