Under normal circumstances.. a president who has 4 of 9 of his own board supporting him would step down because there is a lack of confidence.

Were talking about Smorgon here..

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Yes, I know, I'm one of them

Thats provided a suitable candidate put up their hand for elections so far the only thing we have seen is a push from the current board members .

Its a bit like the Labor party everyone know Beasley cant win the next election but he has the numbers and no one has put their hand up.

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Agree Mordan. If these people were hoping for change to happen smoothly, by Smorgon resigning last Tuesday, then they still must have had money and people to put in place. If that is the case, and they are holiding back from challenging because they don't want shit-fight, then why don't we just do the dirty work for them?

Getting 100 signatures (there was talk after the last EGM that they were going to change the constitution to increase the number of signatures required to force an EGM...did that ever happen?) is easy...why isn't anyone doing it? Whay don't we just do it and force the issue? Or are the challengers just not there?

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I just feel so disheartened. The chance to turn things around has gone

No it hasn't the team just has to start winning and things will turn around . Smorgan is 100% right on this fact - People , sponsors supporters all love winners we are not and haven't been for 5 years .

Start winning things will turn around

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Unfortunately that is the total extent of Smorgon's plan - very very sad.

Thats what it used to be like.. you are a multi million dollar business in the largest and most elite sporting competition in Australia...

I think youre out of touch....

You need to run it in a professional manner.. regardless of whether youre winning or losing ... its a multi layered business...

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Agree. Remember, when the rot originally began to set in with all this, we won a flag in 95, and played in a GF in 99. And while that was going on, Elliott was slowly running the Club into the ground, even though we were successful on the field. I financial situation, membership base and standing all began to be eroded in the early-mid 90s.

IMHO, it works the other way around. Get things rigt OFF the field, and that feeds through to on-field performance.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Yes. I know that, you know that, surely they knew that?

Even so, all this talk of big names, experienced businessmen, knowledge and talent to take us forward and it's just the other half of the current board? Many of the same people who have been involved in the current shenanigans? You've got to be kidding?

They might have been hamstrung by being in the minority, but it doesn't fill me with confidence. Is it just the same jokers with more money? These people (Lee excepted) have been on the board since Elliot was outsted!!!!

Maybe I was just reading what I wanted to read, seeing what I wanted to see but I had these pictures of new, fresh talent and ideas. People with the profile, contacts and knowledge to really take the club forward quickly. I was thinking of names like Pratt (jnr not senior), Mitchell or Fahour. Not those exact names, but of similar profile, reputation and clout. Isn't this what you were hinting at Synbad? Did I get it so wrong?

The major source of Carltons debt was the building of the stand and the right down of it over two years . In the years 95-99 if the stand had not been built the club would not be in debt . If we were still playing at Optus and the stand still had value we would not be as far in debt.

People want to be associated with winners not losers -start winning and more good candidates will come on board - then when you get cash positive you then implement a plan to insure that in the down times the finances dont suffer. Money makes money if you dont have it you cant make it . Start winning make money -

Name me a sporting club that is a financial powerhouse that doesn't consistantly win or are at least competitive -

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Synbad,

I want change as much as you do. I am by no means criticising you & you clearly have good sources. So please take this the way that I intend it – they are just questions not criticisms.

Are the challengers to whom you have been referring constantly, serious Carlton people. It amazes me that they are happy to walk away without firing a single shot!

If they are hard nosed business people it seems very odd that they are willing to help the club if the transition is easy but are willing to walk away if not.

In my experience, when an influential/powerful person feels passionately about an issue they see it through to the end. If they are happy to walk away now, are they the sort of people who we want to run the club?

If the transition was easy, would they have done a better job than the current rabble?

Bruce M is clearly a very smart guy. He clearly has clout and plenty of contacts. If he thinks the board is so bad why would he just walk away and let the ship sink?

The media constantly refer to potential for change. Is it just separate small groups of disgruntled people or are things so bad at the club that nobody has the capacity/ energy to turn things around quickly? Alternatively, are the agitators just the other half of the Board as suggested by Mordan.

Regards
Ockham

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Sydney no one is arguing that we're on the nose.

the issue is how to take the Club forward. Is it:

* Through the Status Quo
- Under a man who seems to use PR firms to issue nonsense statements
- Is a bit on the nose with a few of us for not creating any new ideas to assist the Club in a time of crisis
- Seems intent on limiting our exposure to the media
- Is rumoured to be on the nose with some benefactors who could help to repay our massive, and increasing debt
- Seems happy that we are forecast to have a cash loss despite 32,000 members and costs cut to the bone

or

* Through a rumoured new faction which will help to repay the debt
- May or may not have any new ideas

Its the cash injuection and new direction that entices.

2006 was a complete write-off and someone must accept responsibility. The Coach wont / hasn't, the CEO wont / hasnt and where does the Board stand? Well, it stands divided - more of the same or bring some others in with some $?

He's of the opinion that now is not the ideal time as now = bloody coup. Bruce is highly intelligent and passionate about the Carlton Football Club...however he's also extremely loyal. I wouldn't mind betting that if he's given Smorgon his word that he wouldn't stab him in the back Caeser style - then that's as good as gospel.

I'm of the opinion that Bruce Mathieson is waiting for an inevitable 'fall on sword' from Smorgon; and on his return to Melbourne - might have a word in order for this to happen to clear the path for others to make a smooth transition. That's the way Bruce Mathieson does business - that's the way i see it happening...the Mathieson move north is permanent from Christmas - by which time a new president will be installed and those in the background are merely waiting for a green light from the pokie king for this to happen.

Graham Smorgons rule will not see the year 2007. mark my words.

Now bring on the draft....

Is the above post optimistic based on the previously mentioned search for a leak or just optimistic Dr.S?

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Mols, for my own edification, do you know the name of the PR firm retained by Smorgo?

Cheers

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Given all this talk can someone confirm for me if I am a 2006 member but not signed up for 2007, do I have any voting rights?

In relation to Synners wanting a looksie at the report, you would think that the AFL might leak it to someone given their disappointment with how the club is being run..................

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No.

Won't happen. AD has Smorgon & CFC by the balls. Smorgan will continue to kiss AD's arse. We're severly compromised ATM.

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There's so much I could say...

Can one invoke the "Freedom of Information" Act?