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Synbad
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Id be in that...


Well, why dont you take the lead? You are connected with the USC and whoever else been trying to effect change. I believe an EGM similar to the one that triggered the spill in 2002 will flush out anyone who wants to get onyo the board and their plans / $'s

Hey im not connected to them.
I just know a couple of them...

Theyre not trying to effect change..

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Thanks for sharing that JW.

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Each year, Denis Pagan provides his 'wish list', and this year is the first time that the needs have been able to be granted.



I found this part particularly interesting.

Of course interpretations depends on whether someone hates Pagan or doesn't, but this is a) good from the board's point of view as the football department must be given as much as possible and b) interesting because it suggests that Pagan has been working with one arm tied behind his back for four years.

Good to see Smorgon actually calling people up who have sent in intelligent letters (there are at least two now just on the various CFC forums), sure it is a result of politics and the pressures now there. But I would be much more concerned if no calls were being made.

15-20 minutes? I imagine Smorgon's hourly rate would be pretty steep, you did well there JW! :wink:



2 things....
He hates people....

Its an election year...

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Synbad wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
Thanks for sharing that JW.

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Each year, Denis Pagan provides his 'wish list', and this year is the first time that the needs have been able to be granted.



I found this part particularly interesting.

Of course interpretations depends on whether someone hates Pagan or doesn't, but this is a) good from the board's point of view as the football department must be given as much as possible and b) interesting because it suggests that Pagan has been working with one arm tied behind his back for four years.

Good to see Smorgon actually calling people up who have sent in intelligent letters (there are at least two now just on the various CFC forums), sure it is a result of politics and the pressures now there. But I would be much more concerned if no calls were being made.

15-20 minutes? I imagine Smorgon's hourly rate would be pretty steep, you did well there JW! :wink:



2 things....
He hates people....

Its an election year...


It is obviously electioneering (I said that in the post).

But it is at least effort and that is all it was ackonowledged as, not everything has to be black and white.

I still know which way I'll be voting in March though, given that the alternatives are OK. :wink:

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There was disagreement with the letter recently sent out, as I favoured a more dynamic message, and he a communication that didn't invite unrealistic expectations. As for the cost of the letter, it was pointed out that 'Inside Carlton' was shelved as a cost-cutting measure, and the information supplied is intended as a substitute.


Cost cuts as far as printing costs or development? Could easily be put on the website.

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There was disagreement with the letter recently sent out, as I favoured a more dynamic message, and he a communication that didn't invite unrealistic expectations. As for the cost of the letter, it was pointed out that 'Inside Carlton' was shelved as a cost-cutting measure, and the information supplied is intended as a substitute.


Cost cuts as far as printing costs or development? Could easily be put on the website.


Not sure whether this counts for much, but several members of my family are members (of varying degrees) and I got the letter today and even though I had already read it's content online I was impressed that it was sent to the "acme" family rather than 3 different letter being sent out at greater cost.

A small thing for sure, but a good sign.

wrt just putting information on the net, while I am a big advocate of that, the fact is that at the moment the internet still only reaches about 60-70% of households, puttting something like this just on the net would disenfranchise a significant portion of the membership.

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Why the @#$%&! is the President of our football club ringing members that send in mails like JW's? You have got to be kidding me.

The Board must be in dire straits if the President is calling individual members to explain his position. Good strategy Graham, 1 down 30,000+ to go.

If the club want to get members opinions why not do it through formal and structured means like blogs on our website f.ex. Then the President can comment to all and we can all see the news, none of this bullshit about someone posting a letter on a forum and then the response from the club. It shows no initiative by the club at all and at best is only ever going to be reactionary.

They must be shit scared.

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Graeme's newslatter is basically a collection of motherhood statements.

There is no real connection in his comments for a proper football development and a financial plan going forward.

If the finances are as good/OK as he is saying, then there need to be far better disclosure than has been the case.

Good profit and loss statements and balance sheets stand up to financial analysis and scrutiny and those that approve them have no trouble in being accountable and distibuting this information

If this is not done it creates a percveption of a lack of accountability..
Naturally, the best way of engendering credability in the club is to release these statement for all to see and examine.

If in a technical legal sense, Smorgon has met his financial reporting requirements with what he has done and what he has planned, then there should be no trouble in giving this information to the members.

The fact that this hasnt occurred indicates that there is something to hide.

In response to this there really does need to be a letter prepared which reflects a cross section of mamber grievances and demands. This needs to be signed off by as many members as possible.


This line of attack is what members need to get together to exploit.

A group letter with at least 100 member signatures and an accompanying media release would be a good first step.

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blueslander wrote:
If the club want to get members opinions why not do it through formal and structured means like blogs on our website f.ex. Then the President can comment to all and we can all see the news, none of this bullshit about someone posting a letter on a forum and then the response from the club. It shows no initiative by the club at all and at best is only ever going to be reactionary.


Some people on the board have no idea how they can use the ease of cummunication afforded by the internet to help the club, the supporters and themselves.

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Jarusa wrote:
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If the club want to get members opinions why not do it through formal and structured means like blogs on our website f.ex. Then the President can comment to all and we can all see the news, none of this bullshit about someone posting a letter on a forum and then the response from the club. It shows no initiative by the club at all and at best is only ever going to be reactionary.


Some people on the board have no idea how they can use the ease of cummunication afforded by the internet to help the club, the supporters and themselves.


Welcome to Web 2.0 folks.

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Jarusa wrote:
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There was disagreement with the letter recently sent out, as I favoured a more dynamic message, and he a communication that didn't invite unrealistic expectations. As for the cost of the letter, it was pointed out that 'Inside Carlton' was shelved as a cost-cutting measure, and the information supplied is intended as a substitute.


Cost cuts as far as printing costs or development? Could easily be put on the website.


Not sure whether this counts for much, but several members of my family are members (of varying degrees) and I got the letter today and even though I had already read it's content online I was impressed that it was sent to the "acme" family rather than 3 different letter being sent out at greater cost.

A small thing for sure, but a good sign.

wrt just putting information on the net, while I am a big advocate of that, the fact is that at the moment the internet still only reaches about 60-70% of households, puttting something like this just on the net would disenfranchise a significant portion of the membership.


Maybe i'm just a pain in the arse, but the letter should never have been sent if it was to be posted on the website. It was addressed to my Family also.

The other question is, can those who cannot afford internet afford a membership? Internet is very very cheap these days on the lower plans of ADSL. (I don't intend to offend anyone by saying this.)

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mjonc wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
mjonc wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
There was disagreement with the letter recently sent out, as I favoured a more dynamic message, and he a communication that didn't invite unrealistic expectations. As for the cost of the letter, it was pointed out that 'Inside Carlton' was shelved as a cost-cutting measure, and the information supplied is intended as a substitute.


Cost cuts as far as printing costs or development? Could easily be put on the website.


Not sure whether this counts for much, but several members of my family are members (of varying degrees) and I got the letter today and even though I had already read it's content online I was impressed that it was sent to the "acme" family rather than 3 different letter being sent out at greater cost.

A small thing for sure, but a good sign.

wrt just putting information on the net, while I am a big advocate of that, the fact is that at the moment the internet still only reaches about 60-70% of households, puttting something like this just on the net would disenfranchise a significant portion of the membership.


Maybe i'm just a pain in the arse, but the letter should never have been sent if it was to be posted on the website. It was addressed to my Family also.

The other question is, can those who cannot afford internet afford a membership? Internet is very very cheap these days on the lower plans of ADSL. (I don't intend to offend anyone by saying this.)


mjonc, we are both western suburbs boy (not too far away) but to ignore 30-40% of your supporter base is just too much.

5% (like Apple users :P ) I can understand, but 10 to 15,000 Carlton members, no way.

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mjonc wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
mjonc wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
There was disagreement with the letter recently sent out, as I favoured a more dynamic message, and he a communication that didn't invite unrealistic expectations. As for the cost of the letter, it was pointed out that 'Inside Carlton' was shelved as a cost-cutting measure, and the information supplied is intended as a substitute.


Cost cuts as far as printing costs or development? Could easily be put on the website.


Not sure whether this counts for much, but several members of my family are members (of varying degrees) and I got the letter today and even though I had already read it's content online I was impressed that it was sent to the "acme" family rather than 3 different letter being sent out at greater cost.

A small thing for sure, but a good sign.

wrt just putting information on the net, while I am a big advocate of that, the fact is that at the moment the internet still only reaches about 60-70% of households, puttting something like this just on the net would disenfranchise a significant portion of the membership.


Maybe i'm just a pain in the arse, but the letter should never have been sent if it was to be posted on the website. It was addressed to my Family also.

The other question is, can those who cannot afford internet afford a membership? Internet is very very cheap these days on the lower plans of ADSL. (I don't intend to offend anyone by saying this.)


Some people don't know how to switch on a computer.

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Hey Synners, were the guy on SEN last night about 5ish asking about the club releasing the Watts report?

If it was you, you were very articulate.

I was most impressed.


It wasn't Synbad....and thanks for the compliment! :wink:

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Jarusa wrote:
Thanks for sharing that JW.

JackWorrall wrote:
Each year, Denis Pagan provides his 'wish list', and this year is the first time that the needs have been able to be granted.



I found this part particularly interesting.

Of course interpretations depends on whether someone hates Pagan or doesn't, but this is a) good from the board's point of view as the football department must be given as much as possible and b) interesting because it suggests that Pagan has been working with one arm tied behind his back for four years.

Good to see Smorgon actually calling people up who have sent in intelligent letters (there are at least two now just on the various CFC forums), sure it is a result of politics and the pressures now there. But I would be much more concerned if no calls were being made.

15-20 minutes? I imagine Smorgon's hourly rate would be pretty steep, you did well there JW! :wink:


I reckon GS did well there. Have you any idea how steep Jack Worall's hourly rate is?????
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