A serious question for the knowledgeable ones on this site.

If Smorgon puts his hand in his pocket and forks out $8m, will that placate the masses?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

First he wanted to shrink the board to keep a position of power then when he was one vote from being shafted he wants to expand the board to see if he can strengthen his position. Less board members, more board members, is this all part of the master plan to return us to greatness?

The challengers don't need to go public until a date is announced for the AGM. Let the financials become public, let the AGM date become public, let Smorgon continue his Unity Ticket spin and sweat, then unleash a formalised ticket challenge that details the plan and path to restoring us to a super power again.

Do things properly instead of half arsed and the new ticket will smash the Unity Ticket.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

I think we need a 10 week countdown clock for the agm.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Oh no - I've taken the bait again! Doh!

Seriously - He isn't in the position to do this without his sisters Barbara and Marilyn giving the ok and I personally doubt that he'd have a spare $8 million lying around...though he has contributed some cash since 2002 to give credit where it's due.

I expect the recent shafting of Blue-Scope Steel by the Smorgon group might help unearth Daniel Grollo into the created and soon to be announced ticket. You might see the money you're after start to come in after that - not only money though - but fresh ideas with people who have serious contacts and serious plans.

Shows that the number 1 priority for Smorgon is Smorgon. The only thing he is interested in is keeping power for the sake of his position in his communities. He is a discrace. He is using our great club for his own private agenda. If he had any shed of decency, pride, or love of the Carlton Football Club, he would have stepped down and passed the baton months ago.

He has publicly announced the urgent need to reduce the number on the board - when he wanted to get rid of Valmorbida, Mathieson and Diggins - now he needs to shore up his position he expands the board to 12?????

He deserves the full wrath of the members of this club. At least Elliott was driven by a love of the club - Smorgon is driven by a love of Smorgon.

The conundrum for me is the plan.

I'm all in favour of someone tipping in cash - ie a new ticket - but I'm more interested in their long term views on how to run the club.

tipping in cash is one answer to our present woes but it will not present us in tip top shape for ongoing success - a state of being which does not require white knights.

By all means bring the money but bring a fully detailed plan with it if you want my vote.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Totally agree, we must build up our revenue year on year not rely on handouts.

Following the Essendon* model of marketing their club would be a good start. The Collingwood model is a bit difficult to follow when the Blues do not have a highly rating Thursday night national television program to help sell the club.

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So if someone is bringing $8m but no plan, you won't vote for them? I figure we can take the dough, leave them there for a year and then assess. I don't reckon they can rack up another $8m in debt in one year ... can they?

I'm being a little facetious as nobody wants to knife someone who has tipped in $8m, but the money while a shallow notion, is the most paramount one in the short term, then the plan and so on.

or....what?

We'll stick with the incumbents?
I'll tell you now, it wont take much to impress me at the moment.

I was willing to give Smorgon a go but this latest episode is a kick in the face to all members. The Carlton One ticket was put into power by the members on a promise of transparency and being inclusive.

We now have duly elected directors being excluded from decision making and mates being seconded onto the board to shore up the president!
These flower have lost sight of what they were placed there for. Our club is crumbling and buckling under debt whilst these clowns play politics.

I'd love a detailed plan but lets face facts, the plan these jokers produced was'nt worth toilet paper!
If someone comes along with some capital to keep our club going and shows more transparency than these flower, they're miles ahead already.
Anything else is a bonus.

I want these flower out and anyone who aligns themselves with them can join them. Premiership captain or not.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I'm actually starting to enjoy all of this. At least people are starting to show themselves at last. Whatever happens between now and the start of the season there's no way we'll have the same bunch of clowns running the place into the ground that we have now. We may well have a new bunch of clowns doing it but as they say a change is as good as a holiday.

I could use a holiday actually. It's been seven days a week since the 28th and I'm really starting to flag. It may have been that really hot weekend that tipped me over the edge this time round. That Sunday afternoon it was 42.3 in the shade at 2:45pm and 25 soon after three. Even though it cooled down outside my energy went out the window...well the door really as that was the fenestration that was open.

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Turkish Proverb

BV wrote:

These flower have lost sight of what they were placed there for. Our club is crumbling and buckling under debt whilst these clowns play politics.

I'd love a detailed plan but lets face facts, the plan these jokers produced was'nt worth toilet paper!

If someone comes along with some capital to keep our club going and shows more transparency than these flower, they're miles ahead already.

Anything else is a bonus.




What he said!!

The most pressing need is money, everything else is secondary AFAIC ( a "bonus" as BV said).... All long term business plans aint gonna be worth jackshit if the club goes belly up in the meantime.

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YARRAN!!





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I'm wondering, and I have no contacts, rumours or connections to go on, if GS has added these extra members as a concession. At one point there were rumoured to be 2 rival tickets mustering their forces, the Fraser Brown one and the other (now confirmed as Elliot) ticket.

The new board appointees are supposedly well connected to the Brown camp. Perhaps their early appointment is a shrewd move by GS to appease the Brown camp and stave off their challenge at least, if not win their support and join forces against the remaining ticket.

Ideally he wants a smaller board, but a short 3 month concession to that principal in favour of adopting the 'divide and conquer' strategy seems quite shrewd. Of these board members, who knows how many will survive the public vote anyway. Even if all he achieves is to half the number of rival tickets he is fighting, for 3 months of free dinners, it's probably a good move from his perspective!

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

If Smorgan was that clever he'd have resolved Carlton's off-field woes by now. You're making him sound like he's got half a clue!

We are in massive financial debt

...on the brink of insolvency

...at the mercy of our creditors

...and at the mercy of the AFL

...JUST LIKE FITZROY!!!!!!!!





HERE PEANUTS!! HERE PEANUTS!!

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There's so much I could say...

Elliott just said on the news he's forming a ticket

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

...and a Happy New Year.

What's with all the Jewish and Catholic people that are on the board/wanna be on the board/should be on the board etc?

Can't you be Calathumpian or even heaven forbid Presbyterian to get a seat at PP?

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They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
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THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

Did you actually read Dr.SHERRIN's post? He is correct.

It does not mean that we are not in financial trouble.

So BV, ODN, you'd just take the money, no questions asked, allow them to possible flower the club up in new and innovative ways and move on.

That just gives us more pain and over a longer term.

Perhaps you would prefer we become someone else's plaything because they tipped the dough in? Maybe Smorgon could be your saviour?

That's your choice but it's not something that I think would serve the club best in the long term. I actualy believe with a decent business plan and a decent board you can trade out of difficulty, create a culture on and off the field of the kind that we are used to and get ahead. I'm sure McGuire did that at Collingwood.

It's your vote - you guys go ahead with the "money will fix everything scenario". But I reckon it's got a ring of John Elliot's presidency about it.

I'd much prefer a saviour with a plan and with money. Is that asking for too much? After all if they've got the money I'm sure they can afford to get someone to write and market a business plan.

Failing that I'll go with someone with a decent plan anyday over some turkey with a heap of dough, no idea and thoughts of personal playthings.

cheers

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...