MarkNo3 wrote:
SparkyBlue wrote:
4everBlue wrote:
SparkyBlue wrote:
4everBlue - I'm not entering the discussion in any way shape or form except to say - you got that 2c an hour for no entitlements from either the 'Rock The MCG' IR Rally leaflets, or the Herald Sun... anyone commenting on Spotlight's business model can only speculate - unless there is someone here who is currently on the board of directors?!
Irrespective of their plan, you can't say they aren't successful...
As for me? I'll wait and see there there is any cash injection/sign of an improved business plan as a result of this... or *sooner yet* see if the four musketeers who have recently joined the board are still around post-elections...
Sparky, if you don't want to buy into an arguement, then don't slag people off. Simple really.
The 2c an hour for the loss of all entitlements is no big secret, nor is it a union-led conspiracy theory either.
The figures have been in circulation for some time now, and have been reported by both the print and tv media across the country.
Spotlight came under a lot of fire for them.
Not just from the media, but also from family and social sectors.
So, if you are going to fire a bullet, make sure you load it properly first, eh?
Umm... I think you may have misconstrued. Where exactly in my post did I slag off anybody (let alone your good self)?! Stating that I'm *QUOTE* '...not entering the discussion in any way' is nothing like me saying I don't want to 'buy into any argument'... a little bit of a play on words there dontcha think 4everBlue? And by my comment I meant that I didn't want to get involved in the semantics of business politics and plans and whatnot of the past 5-6 pages...
Then I simply stated that your reference to the 2c an hour deal (which I completely am against, as it embodies everything negative in the new IR laws) was widely reported in the media (the first time I read it was the IR rally leaflets!) - and that, beyond that (as it is now public knowledge), any details involving Spotlight's business workings would only be known (I'd presume) to those on the board and those 'in the know'... and anything else would have to be speculation. And
that comment was meant to be directed at everybody - and if it felt like it was directed your way, I apologise...
So, if you are going to sling crap - better make sure the fan isn't facing your direction, eh?
Why would anyone have to sit on the board of Spotlight to have and insight into their business dealings?
I have been involved with them now for 6 1/2 years on and off (and prior to this was involved in the local textile industry for another six). I can tell you know that everytime we get back involved with them I object stongly.
Not becuase they are so astute at their negotiations and screw you right down becuase I can tell you im happy with the prices we have negotiated but becuase of their deliberately dubious business practices and the contempt for their own suppliers.
The manner in which they operate is extremely inefficient (I could go on forever here with my firsthand knowledge of their buying, distribution and accounting practices
) and would hate to see someone bring their practices to our already beleagured club. If people think we are badly managed now and have no direction god help us if we adopted any of their practices especially employment becuase our previously bad recruitment practices would like positively enlightened in comparison.
Some people assume they must be good becuase they are a big privately owned company. Well the other big one Lincraft went belly up not all that long ago and their business practices were identical - again first hand knowledge of their practices.
Just because they appear big doesn't mean they are any good. Remember We are Carlton and flower the Rest - look where that attitude got us
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Firstly, read my post - in particular the part about me not wanting to get into the intricacies of business management (esp. Spotlights, of which I have no interest of whatsoever)... and to further that, I didn't say you have to sit on the board to know Spotlight's business working, I stated that you either had to do that or be 'in the know', that obviously being you - somebody whose business is working with Spotlight in some capacity... so how about re-reading before hitting 'reply'?
That said, privately owned (or 'family run') businesses are the worst kind, I've been involved with quite a few and, well yes... there are a myriad of issues that often arise from just that - I've seen companies bust, get brought out by banks, MDs, and Coca Cola
- that's why I now work for a stable, enormous national institution (no, not the gov.!) that truly knows the worth of decent business practices... and I don't have to worry about insolvency or redundancy... Carlton on the other hand...
If you ask me, Spotlight are shit...
...I much prefer to purchase my chenille and silk from a little reatiler down the road...
Are you buying your stuff from one of those private companies you hate so much???
Personally i would rather buy my chenille and silk from the new Spotlight store at Essendon* DFO. Now thats a store.
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