Also the fact that as BW said, the AFL determine where we play

The Melbourne City Council are only tipping in funding for the redevelopment if we no longer play games there. Plus we are at the mercy of where the AFL decides to schedule our games. I can't really see it happening.

Keep posting blindly pal. Why don't you simply ring the club and ask them about their leasing agreement - one you are obviously unaware of.

Then take a walk down to the ground and have a look at the surface.
That should answer your next one.

And finally, the redevelopments proposed at the moment are just that.
Please, whatever you do, don't breed.

Ah, good to see the genius of the insider back on track!

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Are you serious, mate?

Mordan just produced a few facts as to why we wouldn't/shouldn't be going back to PP and all you can do is come up with petty insults and a comment regarding the quality of the surface down there.

Making yourself to look quite the fool.

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You didn't answer any of my questions.

I have no idea what the leasing agreement has to do with generating enough revenue from only 4 games a year. Please fill me in.

Secondly, there is much, much more to the maintenance than the state of the playing surface. It's the best in Victoria, pity the stands aren't.

Finally, you do realise that we lose the money from the council and the government for the redevelopment if AFL games are scheduled at the ground? So before questioning the quality of my genetic material, make sure you're at least a little informed.

Geez, you are an agressive chap blues-insider.
What really matters is who these 18,000 are. If they are Carlton members then they have paid for entry already, and you could play the game on the moon and have none of them turn up and we would still make the same at the turnstiles. The additional revenue at each individual game is generated by people who are paying at the gate, not members.

We got ourslves into trouble by thinking like a VFL club and not an AFL club. PP, great as my memories of it are, is yesterday's venue, we barely get half our members there for interstate games never mind non members, and we need badly to expand our supporter base across Melbourne among young kids who have no misty eyed memories of 6 games on a Saturday at local grounds. Essendon* and C'wood have left us behind over the last 15 years. Lets not pretend it is 1981.

No more games at MC Labour Park. Those days are gone!

If anything, we should play 1 or 2 home games interstate (Adelaide Oval & SCG.)

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No can you show us where those figures come from???

Ill take you seriously when you can explain them....

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Personally I don't think we should go back to Princess Park. However it is important to note that Carlton and Pratt would probably have legal grounds to get rid of the TD contract if they wanted to move back to PP, due to Collins' conflict of interest at the time the agreement was made.

But where would we play if the AFL dont schedule us on PP????

What people dont understand is we have no right when it comes to home grounds.. the jimpers... the name.. the game schedules and everything else belongs to the AFL....

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As much as I love the past and Princes Park, these memories cannot be a part of our future.

There has to be a new future with a new venue, most probably Telstra Dome.

Attempts to re visit the past, such as playing games at Princes Park will only serve to hinder the development and relaunching of Carlton.

Actually, I agree that the playing surface of Princes Park is probably the best in the league, but as important as this is, there is more to hosting a football match than just the playing surfase of the ground.

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some people in here are hoping we reach the dizzy heights of 18,000 spectators......

And i wanna know where this 18k comes from??

Youd think with 30k odd members... noone is a walk up to the gate payer to watch footy anymore... except the opposition supporters...

I think some people are REALLY living in the past.........
....and really have no idea where the game is at right now....


Lance?????

Princes Park and 18k break even??????

Give me a break...... its all moved forwards kiddies... its no longer the seventies...
Its about TV and corporates.. and millions and millions of dollars.

BUT!!!!.. you can always get down to Kramer street and watch the Bullies if you need an itch scratched!!!...

Slow and short key position players.. and a suburban footy ground .. youre even allowed to run onto the ground at the end of the game...

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worst post ever

Pratt would not want to sit in the crappy little boxes at Princess Park when he can sit in 5 STAR comfort at the DOME.

A move back to PP will never happen. Unless the AFL, Melbourne City Council and State Government believe it is the solution for the A-League, Melbourne Storm and then money outside the club is thrown at PP to include lights, better corporate facilities, better supporter facilities and remove all the old splinter seats.

This won't happen as these parties are better off building a new stadium.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

The AFL needs another "smaller/more profitable" stadium in Victoria. It needs to play all matches between Victorian teams vs Interstate teams like Fremantle/Port/West Coast at least at this venue.
Therefore there is no reason why all parties mentioned above couldn't get together and re-build PP as this stadium. The positives outway the negatives and by a long shot. The only reason the other clubs "refuse" to play games there is because it's CFC's ground but as people say the AFL control scheduling and if they can show all teams the $$$$ value advantage then we have a winner. Except ofcourse if there is too much vested interest to keep TD/MCG running at loses for these games.

PS. Most Victorian teams would play their "home" games here instead of Tassie for instance.

When was the last time anyone saw PP sold out.
The most I have seen is 25K
When we are back in winnign form we will fill TD.
How many Carlton supporters wont go to the footy knowing that we are going to smash an interstate team, for the last 3 years it has been the other way around.
My 2c

Surrey - It's refreshing to read a post based on fact and understanding - unlike the crap posted on the first two pages.

Especially when there aren't even enough toilets to service those attending.

We have to move on. I'm still partial to the MCG but we appear locked into the Docklands and if we have to win premeierships 17,18,19 in rapid succession there then I'll let my arm be twisted.

It's about winning now. When the Blues are firing we'll all be happy to give the world grief from Docklands.

If it's such rubbish then it should be easy to correct us. Here's where you can start.

Explain how we can generate enough revenue from 4 games a year to fund a whole stadium. Keep in mind that maintenance on the stands to allow hosting of games is much higher than just as a training venue.

You might also want to fill us in on where the money to get the stands back up to a usable level might come from.

Then explain to us how we're going to fund our stage 1 redevelopment without council and government assistance. The money from the government is only available to training facilities. If we play even 1 game a year there, then no money from the government.

Rather than just throwing accusations of ignorance at people, how about you fill us all in blue-insider?