Hey Dr, can't they get hammered at someone's house or do they have to go out in public and get hammered, then questioned by police, then fined, then give the lame excuse that they weren't wearing their watches?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

In 06' he came 3rd in our b&f and poled more votes than any other Carlton player in the Brownlow (10) I can't defend his actions offield but until some of the younger blokes step up he's an important part of our onfield team whether you rate him or not.

As one or two others have said Lance doesn't seem to have really done anything apart from be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He is more silly than anything else and I don't think this sort of thing deserves to cost him the captaincy. Lance is several things but is hardly a trouble-maker and I still think he'll feature prominently in discussions regarding captaincy. The over-reaction regarding Lance is actually quite ridiculous.

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Formerly Blues-Back2003.

I agree with Duke and Game...

I think i care more about which of my finger nails grows the quickest......

Whitnall may have been playing 'Leader' and kept them away from even more trouble.....

I spent quite alot of time with the team in 94-95 and they were a pack of arrogant, drunk so and so's. I didn't care back then and I don't care now, being on the bottom of the ladder doesn't change players trends to be yobbos...I' give them credit though, I am often in awe of the self control these guys exhibit to not get into full on fist fights out on that field.

Watching grumpy old men on fox over the years I learn that these guys love that game so much, they live and breath for that game and their mates. There is pressure that I can't even begin to imagine on these players shoulders and it's got to be one of the most, if not the most physically and emotionally draining game going around.

If it wasn't for the flowering media no-one would find out about this insignificant crap anyway.

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The problem will be made. for the solution to be sold, to your face before your eyes, tolerance is now the new danger

Kouta's worked long and hard under the yoke of captaincy. He tried to pass the baton before the '06 season (remember?), but Pagan persuaded him to captain again.

IMO Kouta's earned the right to focus on getting all he can out of himself in his swansong year.

Let the champ play his own game and finish his career in champion form.


Give the captaincy to a troika of Whitnall, Stevens and Fevola. In 3-4 years the troika will be Murphy, Gibbbs and Fev/Setanta/Walker/_____

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don't ask me, I'm just a lizard

This is the standard media/PR damage control tactic.
You face the media. Admit to a little wrongdoing. Apologise. Don't address the major accusation at all.

Because you get some of your story in the media mix it's much better than hiding out or pretending nothing is wrong. If you do that the story snowballs.

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don't ask me, I'm just a lizard

No ifs about it - he has punched her.

If we can believe her.


That's a fair if right there.



None of us know what happened.

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don't ask me, I'm just a lizard

So DUC,
What happens when Walker has a small slip - whether he blows .055 or does 42Kph in a school zone at pick up time, or god forbid - SOCIALIZES past curfew - who will you then turn to - Simpson? no already broken the curfew, Fev pfft............ummmmmmmmmmm

Let Walker master his OWN game before burdening him with the responsibility of lifting others.

Lance for 2 years followed by the best 21-25yo on the list - Simple!!

Now let's get on with spending Pratty's money.

Rhys26



Is that what she said?

Some callers who were at the incident paint a different picture on SEN.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Agree with DUC...Lance isnt smart enough to be captain and Heath saves all his agression for females when he is on the piss having a night out, on the footy field though both of them dont say boo when the physical stuff starts..
You have to set standards and discipline, and you dont want your players knocking women around...it just makes Heath look weak as piss after his previous slapping incident and he needs to re establish his credibility as a footballer and a man.....hope he enjoys the sledging he will get.

Andrew Walker is too smart to be involved in any juvenile crap like Whitnall and Scotland....

Whitnall wouldnt be in my leadership group and Scotland would be starting in the Bullants in rnd1......

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

There is another possible captain whose name hasn't been mentioned (AFAIK).
A bloke who's Carlton through and through.
A true Blue who sweats and bleeds and weeps navy blue.
A sterling club man who's been there in the trenches in the darkest hours of our beautiful club.
A champion who's tasted the sweet nectar of ultimate victory and choked back the tears of bitter defeat.

Now some will say that this bloke is already doing enough at the club.
Some will say he's doing too much already.
(some will see where I'm going with this)

I say he can do more.
I say he should put up or shut up...







I give you the next captain of the Navy Blues:


Also:
Vice President
Chairman of the Match Committee
Selector
Boot Studder
Water Boy
Coach (from 2008)

[/tongueInCheek]



[but seriously]
Sticks: Legend
Lance and/or Stevens and/or Fev: Captain
Gibbs/Murphy/Walker/o'Hailpin: The future's coming up BLUE

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don't ask me, I'm just a lizard

Even without lingering doubts as to criminal charges etc, a serious lack of common-sense and judgement was shown by the senior players involved. The 'we weren't wearing watches and lost track of time' thing is perhaps the lamest of all.

I know we're not flush with 'leadership', but do we really want or need such blatant stupidity leading us off-field? I say the captaincy should go to someone else, probably Stevens. Let's allow Lance to focus his leadership and smarts internally - on-field and in the rooms - where he's shown that he's capable. I'd feel mightily uncomfortable with him figuring as the mouthpiece and figurehead of our playing group.

Leaders come to the fore without the need for a title or official role as such, but clearly not everyone is suited to the off-field tasks of a modern-day captain. Particularly one at the head of such a young playing group.

Perhaps she physically assailed him first or he felt that her actions during the confrontation ( if there was one ) were the about to result in a physical attack and his reaction was reflex.

To persecute the guy without all the facts is naive

There already appears to be information supporting the scenario that the Carlton players were well behaved prior to the incident despite ongoing abuse and provocation.
There are also conflicting eye witness accounts concerning the alleged incident casting the female as the aggressor and making a running approach. So stop playing judge and moralistic jury until you have all the facts and give the guy a fair go, he already has enough on his plate.

You don't have kids Brad, so you really shouldn't comment.

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SIDE BY SIDE
COOOOOLLLLLIIIINGWOOOOOOOD

You're a Collingwood supporter, so apparantly you shouldn't comment either!

DenimUndies wrote



I'm with you on this Denim. I've heard the same, and no charges have been proven...have charges been laid, or is the police investigation is still taking place?

I believe in the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I've already said that,but Thornton was like just about 99% like everyone on this site,had no confidence with the fools running the club,it was a shambles,he wanted to have no head cases to deal with,doesn't mean in his heart he didn't want to stay. He hard a hard time getting 3 years while a hack comes to the club signed up for 3 years who will probably be delisted after 2 and if it's true about Pagan doesn't get along with players,maybe he was just considering going,you think Silvagni and others wouldn't if they were young and starting out,i bet they would have also tried to leave if they seen no light in the tunnel,look at our membership,how comes we lost over 7000,because of the board i say and second the playing list.

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Bang Bang.

You're slow....like Lance...Lance is bad, so you shouldn't comment either

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

apparently these are the other parties involved