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Ill probably get banned for saying this but I like Kevin Sheedy. I read one of his books last easter and regardless what I may think of him and Essendon* he really seems to love the game and does a lot to promote it. Besides I dont care who comes up with ideas that are positive for our club after the last few years we can use all the good publicity we can get.


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We should play for the Glenn Manton Monacle.

Or the Jordan Doering Doo Rag.

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....or the Campo Cheap Kicks Cup.


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The Cory McGrath Merkin.

The Jordan Bannister Bowl.

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According to John Howard multiculturalism is dead.

But then according to all the latest evidence so is John Howard... :-D

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I'll be at the game regardless of it being themed or not. That said I reckon it is an idea well worth exploring and it would definately promote Carlton in a positive light, something we desperatly need. An opposition supporting mate reckons he can not wait to see Carlton improve on the field, as he thinks it was much more pleasurable beating us when we were a good side than beating when we are on the bottom. "Not much fun in kicking a person when they are down, it is much better knocking them off thier perch when they are cocky.' or words to that effect.

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Carlton have a lot of Jewish supporters as well as Italians and Sheedy is an Irish 'mick' so play it on Easter Sunday and call it 'Resurrection 2007'.


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Possibly more than any other in the competition ( excluding The Bulldogs) the rich multicultural histories of both teams from player and supporter representation create a natural link to the theme.


As DenimUndies said the Bulldogs are the other team with genuie Multicultural ties, not Essendon* - the article pointed out their long history and listed Epis, Misiti, Mecuri and Alessio - thats a long history! three blokes from the 90's and some bloke I've barely heard of.

Carlton plays both Collingwood and Essendon* twice every year anyway, we don't need to lock in a game. Now a game against the Bulldogs or any other Victorian club in the first part of the season ensures we play a return game in the second half of the season. This is what Collingwood has managed to do so well, locked in games against other Vic teams to reduce the travel. The label blockbuster is overused and so inaccurate, we will play blockbusters again when we start to win games and the crowds will return. As others have said saying something is a blockbuster means nothing and does not ensure a big crowd

How many extra people go to the Aboriginal game Essendon* and Richmond play, I don't know anyone who goes to this game because it's labelled as a blockbuster fixture. It's all a load of crap. I agree with those who say it just a thinly veiled shot at Carlton from Sheedy, we aren't broke, we aren't rattling tins - its just Sheedy trying to look like a nice guy. It's similar to the pathetic pictures of Joffa outside Flinders Street in a Carlton jumper. We are not that desperate, we aren't begging anyone - when we do then we can accept all these sympathy offers from people.


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If we could get a regular good friday fixture (eg. tigers) it would be almost as big as Anzac day in 5-10 years time. Would be a bonanza for the club.

Good friday won;t be football free forever. Someone's gonna get it eventually, it may as well be us, before Collingwood take it and get another free ride.


Thats the way Verbs !............its only a matter of time so lets create something ourself.

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Wildman wrote:
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Possibly more than any other in the competition ( excluding The Bulldogs) the rich multicultural histories of both teams from player and supporter representation create a natural link to the theme.


As DenimUndies said the Bulldogs are the other team with genuie Multicultural ties, not Essendon* - the article pointed out their long history and listed Epis, Misiti, Mecuri and Alessio - thats a long history! three blokes from the 90's and some bloke I've barely heard of.

Carlton plays both Collingwood and Essendon* twice every year anyway, we don't need to lock in a game. Now a game against the Bulldogs or any other Victorian club in the first part of the season ensures we play a return game in the second half of the season. This is what Collingwood has managed to do so well, locked in games against other Vic teams to reduce the travel. The label blockbuster is overused and so inaccurate, we will play blockbusters again when we start to win games and the crowds will return. As others have said saying something is a blockbuster means nothing and does not ensure a big crowd

How many extra people go to the Aboriginal game Essendon* and Richmond play, I don't know anyone who goes to this game because it's labelled as a blockbuster fixture. It's all a load of crap. I agree with those who say it just a thinly veiled shot at Carlton from Sheedy, we aren't broke, we aren't rattling tins - its just Sheedy trying to look like a nice guy. It's similar to the pathetic pictures of Joffa outside Flinders Street in a Carlton jumper. We are not that desperate, we aren't begging anyone - when we do then we can accept all these sympathy offers from people.


I'm all for the multicultural concept and think it has great merit for our club and for the rest of the competition, its a concept that the club should explore.

In retrospect however perhaps the idea can exist in a purer more beneficial form by having Carlton and the Bulldogs as the participants, rather than a Blues Bombers combination.

To begin with its fair to say that the blues Bomber rivalry has reached a peak level of maturity from a cyclical point of view .

As has been mentioned already that the theme concept is unlikely to have a further major impact in increasing memberships, gate takings or intensifying the rivalry but rather it takes advantage of a competitive rivalry that already exists as a result of a long history.

As has also been mentioned this rivalry and the interest will likely exist regardless of what title is given to the game and the benefits will be there as long as both teams remain competitive.

It is in our interests however to look at opportunities that may help create new rivalries, new block busters and give meaning to new histories with other teams.

In this case the bulldogs from a conceptual point of view are a far more fitting participant and I think the concept of a title to a game on a fixed round is more likely in my opinion to be embraced by its members and supporters than Essendon- ( purely because of the fact they don't have a recognized fixed event in the calender it will give their supporters a sense of recognition and pride and an identity they can more readily relate to).

A combination of Blues Bulldogs will still have the same big picture benefits discussed earlier but is likely to result in the higher gate takings being suggested given that your starting from a much smaller interest point in the game in its current theme-less state.

Such a move also decentralizes the power of Melbourne football away from just the Essendon* and Collingwoods.

In this case I would like to see our club exploring potential growth in relationships with other Clubs and considering the viability of the Bulldogs who have a bright on field future given their current list.

At the end of the day the reason a concept such as the one as presented by Sheedy would have legitimacy is more so because of what the blues history brings to the table on the concept of Multiculturalism not what Essendon* brings.


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It's gotta be the Madden cup.


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moshe25 wrote:
It'll never work!!!

We already tried that idea!!!!

We do things differently here!!!!

We're Carlton. $%$%$ the rest!!!!


That's the kind of thinking that's gotten us and kept us in the predicament we've been in the last 10 years......


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The only charity that I would accept from Sheedy is Anzac Day. Thanks Sheeds Carlton and Richmond will play Anzac Day from now...


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I hate Essendon*,but Kevin Sheedy is kind of a hero to me, i respect him and i'm shocked at some of their fans wanting him gone,time and time again he has put in a young side and rebuilt them to win premierships after being near the bottom and he could do it again if they get bottom for another year or even two.

His love of Football,he would do anything to help those great clashes to continue,sure it's going to benefit his team,but it helps us also.

I hate Collingwood and Essendon*,but even i don't like to see them winning Wooden Spoons every year and getting the best kids,so they win Flags,but i like seeing great clashes and them having some good years with us as long they don't win flags or pass us at winning flags.

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I have similar feelings Rambo.

We can always hate them, and will, but still be able to show respect they deserve for the things they do right. :roll:

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