Good point Jarusa, but for mine even an average of $400k per annum for Campo has been way over the odds. I shudder to think of the fantastic players at other clubs who earn far less than this figure and can only dream of earning what equates to a golden nest egg.

At the end of the day the majority of fans would not give a toss what players are earning if they consistently performed to the required level. Unfortunately it has neither been been consistent or at the required level for a long long while for a number of players.

I'm not bagging players for getting top money Jarusa.
Good luck to them.
I just want them to deliver.

Lance is one of our leaders and best paid players, yes or no?
When we are getting a hiding from last years wooden spooners, I expect our topliners to stand up.
Or at least give a yelp.

Did it happen?
I dont think so.
Lance was comprehensively beaten by his opponent.

It doesnt matter if he was beaten.
It matters that he doesnt chase.
It matters that he lets his opponent run off and create the loose man for his teammates to defend against.
It matters that his forwardline defensive skills are abysmal.

Then again it could all be a smoke screen?

I might make that my new slogan.

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The most disturbing thing for me is that we pffered McKernan a 4 year contract

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BV couldn't agree more and that is the biggest disappointment so far, but at the same time, we cannot argue about $$$$ being the problem.
I have said this before, the contracts where made like that because the players wheren't earning as much initially and it's not there fault the previous admin decided to do this. They are getting what the market was offering at the time of renewal ie. When they where at their peak, they could have earnt more elsewhere eg. Kouta/Campo. Both where offered more elsewhere at their peak but stayed with a back ended contract. They took pay cuts with additional years added on but they aren't exactly finished yet either.

But I think we can Surrey.
Purely and simply, we cant improve our list because we are busting at the seams of our TPP.

I dont care if Lance gets 2 million but give me 2 million bucks worth.

Dont take the money and give half arsed efforts on the footy field.
Lance could have played better on Saturday but he chose not to.
He chose not to chase.
He chose to bludge and let T/Bird and Teague and co. suffer the consequences of his actions.

I dont care what they get but surely the onus is on the players to give some value for their remuneration.

I'll tolerate lack of talent Surrey but I dont tolerate lack of effort.

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I reckon we'll win more games if we manage to score more than the opposition on that given day.

As for who gets paid what, when and why, I wouldn't have a clue so it's probably best if I don't speculate about it.

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Agreed BV, should be sorted out at the end of this year one way or another.

I was not directing anything at you in particular before (more at Synbad ).

Would be nice to know what the average wage paid for these contracts was so that discussions about players worth/output are more informed.

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I think Deano could be onto something.

You forgot to log in as Captain Obvious Deano.

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Mark I'm surprise Lappin's not up there in the larger figures - I thought he might have been offered much more to go to Richmond but was still on a decent (and well deserved IMO) amount.

As for Campo knocking back 300k I can't see what other option he will have unless he wants to do a Matty Allan.....and bloody Sheedy probably would take him on for a year or two I guess (or Malthouse, I guess - they are only a champion player or two away from a premiership )

From what i remember a couple of years back Houlihan was offered $180,000 a year for 3 years.I could be wrong on those figures but they were mentioned by others.To be honest if we are paying over 92.5% (is that the minimum amount?) of the salary cap on these players we are idiots.Atleast Collo is doing the right thing and starting to pay people what they are worth.

Campo knocking back 300K?
What a greedy little so and so.

I'm suprised the club even offered him that amount.

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Might be playing devil's advocate here but who are we to make calls on what Campo should be on? If it's indeed true that he's on over 600k, and let's assume it is, and now he's been offered a new deal at less than half of that, it's a fair whack in anyone's language. Now, I'm not saying that he should be on 600k; I'm not saying that such an offer is unjustified. But I'm not sure how you'd all react if you were offered half of what you currently earn?! I'm just saying it's easy for us to sit here and make judgments about what players should be paid and then call them "greedy so and sos" if they don't accept drastically reduced offers. Put yourself in Campo's position.

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Ok.

Who is Campo to knock back a contract re-newal that he is clearly worth?

If he can't see that he isn't worth more than 300k these days, he's dreamin'.

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PJ if you were in a job that you'd been doing for years and it was judged that you weren't up to your normal standards, you were accused of showing a lack of leadership, performance levels had dropped etc etc.

You were on I dunno 100k and then your boss comes to you and offers you 40k...see now it's easy to say "well I deserve it so I have to cop it on the chin" but I'm not sure you'd react the same way if you were actually placed in this hypothetical situation mate..(that's not a reflection on you and I'm not saying your greedy just using it as an example).

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Depends on how much I believe I have put into the job.

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Well you've been there for as long as Campo has been at Carlton and have put in a relatively equivalent amount...

My point is that it's easy to act rational about something when you're not actually faced with the reality of a situation. You might say now that a paycut would be justified but would you act the same way when you've just been presented with a significantly reduced contract?!

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But honestly, do you think Campo was right in knocking back the contract the club offered him?

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If it was their first offer, then Yes.

Name me how many 30 year olds in the AFL take the first offer given to them by a club.

There is always a bit of to-ing and fro-ing. Just part of the negotiations.

The club should not give in like they did in the Elliot days. Lets see what happens.

If he was on 600K this year and that contract was backended, does not sound like a huge drop if say his average pay was 450K a year.

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What I will say is that I don't think that Campo is worth 600k a season if better players than him are on significantly less...

Was Campo right? Well, firstly, do we know for sure that he knocked it back? Do we know tha particulars of the contract? Are there any clauses that might have impacted on the decision? If we assume that he did knock it back, well, as I said, having your contract effectively slashed by over half is a pretty big cut PJ.

I just don't think it's a situation that you truly understand until you're actually in that situation yourself. I don't know about you pj but I wouldn't expect Campo to ask "where do I sign" upon being presented with a contract like that...

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