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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:47 pm 
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This prick strikes again when the last remains of the VFL are finally put to rest today. No room for sentiment and memories when you are on Rupert's payroll whilst being holier than though. I'd love to know how you come to the conclusion that we have been rorting the cap since 1985, when it was always nominal until the '90s and never policed. Seems the fall has finally put to rest any semblance of quality journalism from this bitter Bombers fan.

[url=http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15354950%255E12270,00.html]Princes Park is to die how it last lived in excess
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May 21, 2005
FOR many it has been a week to reminisce. Carlton will farewell its home ground today. Melbourne will be its rival. Both clubs were in the competition when it began in 1897. It is an end of an era in football. Thank God for that.

Carlton played its football at Princes Park before the economics of the modern game saw the ground renamed Optus Oval. The Blues' new home is now Telstra Dome. Ian Collins is president of Carlton and head of Telstra Dome. No wonder the club thinks the venue a comfortable fit. It didn't hurt that the AFL pushed the club to the Dome with handsome bonuses.

Melbourne plays at the MCG. Its new stand is near completion and, with Telstra Dome, the city can boast two of the finest stadiums in the world.

Optus Oval has memories for everyone. Some pleasant, some vibrant, some disturbing. The stench of urine from the toilets that seemed to coat your clothes for weeks is hard to forget. Or the car park that had room for just a bus, two cars and a trike.

The media has been on a wobbly walk down memory lane this week. There was Malcolm Blight's bomb from 70 metres to beat the Blues on the bell in 1976. There is no picture of Blight's goal. The newspaper photographers had left when Carlton was well ahead. There was a trots meeting to be covered and the first race was looming.

Essendon* ran over the Blues in 1981. It was both famous and infamous. The Bombers moved Neale Daniher forward and he kicked two goals after the quarter had ticked past 30 minutes.

Mike Fitzpatrick lined up for goal but had the ball taken off him by the umpire for wasting time. Some fans claim he held the ball for just 11 seconds.

The oval was home to the bloodbath grand final of 1945 between South Melbourne and the Blues. Police moved in to break up scrimmages on the field. Ten players were suspended for 69 games. Such is the perverseness of football that this match is celebrated.

So Carlton players, officials and supporters are glum today. Optus Oval is now the burial ground of their memories. The mood isn't helped that under present coach Denis Pagan the Blues have won just 16 of 51 matches.

But Optus Oval stands for much more than Blight's bomb and the 1945 embarrassment. It stands for the arrogance and pomposity of the Carlton regime under John Elliott. It stands as a monument to excess and trickery.

It is literally the last stand of the self-indulgent reign of Elliott that began during the 1983 season and ended only when he was thrown out by members at the end of 2002.

The VFL was madness when Elliott took power. Clubs were going broke, the competition was going belly-up. South Melbourne had relocated to Sydney in 1982 in a desperate bid to survive. People weren't watching. The game was violent and unattractive, venues sub-standard. The suburban game had lost its cachet.

There had been talk of a breakaway league -- a collection of the competition's strongest clubs would cut away from the mob. All sorts of plots were hatched, machination upon machination. Self-preservation was every club's creed.

One for one and none for all. Salvation came with the establishment of the AFL commission. But Victorian football was still so weak that it expanded west and north to bring in teams and their millions. The national competition was a forceps birth.

The commission took over the running of the competition. They set policies and fixtures. The salary cap and the draft were introduced. The commission killed off Fitzroy and tried for a handful of other deaths by merger.

For all the apparent change of power from club to commission, it was an illusion. The salary cap and draft were constructions to level the competition, weaken the powerful and embolden the weak. But restriction on the players' money and movement had been successfully challenged in court by clubs in other sports.

The AFL clubs continue to have the steering wheel. They can render the commission powerless with one court challenge. Elliott knew it and was forever threatening.

Elliott ran Carlton and Optus Oval. He scoffed at a plan endorsed by other clubs for the AFL to make the new Telstra Dome its home. It would be a financial disaster, predicted the Carlton president. The AFL went ahead and sold Waverley Park to facilitate the deal to eventually take ownership of the new venue at Docklands.

Elliott had pushed ahead with the construction of the Legends Stand at Optus Oval. It was never popular, too expensive to sit in and it left the club in heavy debt. $15 million sat on the books. Today it stands as Elliott the President's tombstone.

Worse, it was to become clear the club had paid little heed to the salary cap ever since it was introduced in 1985.

Breach followed breach. The club joined the moratorium in the early 1990s to confess its sins but continued to negotiate with players outside the cap guidelines. In 2002, the club was exposed as a serial cheat with elaborate schemes to hide illegal player payments.

The club was fined $930,000 and lost critical early picks in the 2002 and 2003 drafts. Carlton was broke and humiliated. Collins was left to pick up the pieces.

John Elliott loves all things elephant. The Legends Stand is his biggest and dumbest. A white elephant that symbolised the excesses of a president who thought he knew everything and left behind absolutely nothing.

Princes Park is done with. Tears of sadness, years of shame.


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The stench of urine from the toilets that seemed to coat your clothes for weeks is hard to forget.


Weeks?

Patrick Smith has smelt like that for years... :lol:


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The stench of urine from the toilets that seemed to coat your clothes for weeks is hard to forget.


Weeks?

Patrick Smith has smelt like that for years... :lol:


i would say that it was he who made them stink like that.

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a deplorable article from a deplorable "C@#t,

this bloke makes us sound like granny rapists

Truth is , the punishment far outweighed the breach, so why dont you factually detail these heinous breaches prick, you dont cos that would detract from your rant.

the world would be a better place without you

Fatprick, you dont matter !


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Can't he just fall off the roof again so we can get a rest from his rubbish.


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tell him to get over it.

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I'm not going to read it because I already know it's just hateful horseshit, his stock in trade.


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WOW!

What did that report do but state the obvious. Carlton lost draft picks? NO! When did this happen????????
We were fined $930k? Get out of here, why didn't anybody tell me.

Who wrote this crap? Patrick Smith huh? Never flower heard of him. But he's a dick!

I got a crusty old wank mop at home that is more usefull than this knob head!


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Not really interested in what he has to say but probably not a good idea to post it in full anyway.


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I never thought that a person could be so twisted and bitter.

apparently they can be.

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It is Rupert Murdoch's fault that Fatprick Smith is still alive - if Rupert had paid him more Smith may have built a house with a third story and then the fall would have killed him. :twisted:

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and then the fall would have killed him. :twisted:


A true shame


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this guy really should have met his creator when he fell off his roof a few months back.

such hatred filled drivel.
tho if you were that fat and had a head like that you'd probably be pretty pissed off too.


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A completely opposite view:

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 37151.html


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Tim Lane is spot on about Princes Park.

Too many inconsistencies in the whole stadiums issue for it to objectively be solely an issue to do with economics.

Thank god we didnt go down the Gaeme Samual route and tear the heart out of the game.

The heart is pretty much torn out as it is though. I will still go to matches, but in the clear knowledge that we ware witnessing a homogenised competition which is essentially sterile.

Even though the result wasnt to my liking the last day at Princes Park yesterday was the last day of real footy.

Im glad that we have a different viewpoint to that of a stupid bitter and twisted man that cant bring himself to accept that we have done our time, the pasts is past and there is a bit more history to Princes Park than the events that he chooses to remember and deride - probably about 80 or 90 years more history ignored by this silly man I think.

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hack bowler for prahran in the districts league... wouldnt know the first thing about footy.

Poor mans Synbad. :wink:

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Sorry to bump this thread to the top of the list, but I just read the article, and I was so incensed with it that I rang The Australian out of complete frustration to make a complaint. I didn't wright, as I've done that before and not had a response, so I at least expected to be able to convey my complaint to the relevant department.
First of all, I was greeted by the rudest customer service person I've ever dealt with, who put me through to the news department. After explaining my complaint (and she was very good actually) she put me through to the sports desk.
From there it was almost surreal. Bascially I got short shrift, and was told that Fatprick is a columnist, and it is his job to do hatchet jobs via his opinion. The bloke I spoke to (Mark was his name) also claimed to not know who the bomber bastard supported (must be great work comraderie there!) and that he was a respected journalist who received heaps of supportive mails for his column. He then fobbed me off with "today it was your club, tomorrow it is Hawthorn", as if that makes his biased dirges appropriate.
I know I'm a little naive, but for the life of me can't work out how a company, in such a cut throat business as newspapers, where they were often the paper for 50c last year in Victoria, can be so blase about offending their readership (I read The Australian most days, but not any longer)
Anyway, as I said at the start, sorry for bringing this back to the top, but I just needed to vent some frustration, and thought I might get a few like minded people to read my dribble!


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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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The stench of urine from the toilets that seemed to coat your clothes for weeks is hard to forget.


Weeks?

Patrick Smith has smelt like that for years... :lol:


i would say that it was he who made them stink like that.


It wouldn't be a problem if he was house trained and didn't wizz on his jacket.

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Patrick learn from your more experienced bipeds that the males amongst us don't have to sit every time nature calls. I can assure you that if you can master this option all of us will be more comfortable. If nothing else it will give you more time to see some of the game you found so disappointing; for I am afraid your pre-occupation with our urinals deprived you of far more pleasant sights, sounds and smells.

Lets start with your offended olfactory, which in days gone past, even in the open air, would have been assailed at every suburban ground by the unique combination of beer, tobacco and burnt pastry with perhaps a whiff of cut grass and liniment thrown in for good measure. Most could linger in that sense alone happily for a pleasant Saturday afternoon, but we must hurry on Patrick, for there is so much more.

Can you hear it? The shrill call of 'Record!' as you meander to the ground. Closer still, the murmur unique to those hours before the game, the working week is done, its time instead to wonder aloud with a friend what is ahead for the afternoon. The squawk, regular now, of antiquated turnstiles, ushering the rest of us in. In the distance there is always a radio and the most recent trifecta result from goodness knows where being relayed to no-one in particular. Impressive I know Patrick, but most things are in comparison to the flush of a latrine, so do not look so astonished when I tell you that this is but an entrée.

Princes Park is also my neighbour, and I so I pass it most days of the week, dormant but for perhaps the hum of a leaf blower or lawnmower; making the contrast to Saturday afternoons so much more dramatic, for our ground always seemed alive. From that growl of approval from the Heatley and Pratt Stands as the team ran out, to that fearsome roar that confronted the Umpires decision to at last bounce the ball and then to an ever present sense that the stands themselves were alive, and in close final quarters when you could feel the vibration of the cavalcade of clapping, stamping and thumping of the nearest steel hoarding to urge tired players to still greater heroics, and yet despite all this, in a close one, you can always hear your heart above all else, for surely it will soon burst, until it is at last soothed by the final siren.

But we are not done yet Patrick. Oh no. The wash of the flush, the distinct eddies ushering cigarette butts and pubic hair to the plug hole have their fascination for some, but lets dare to look at the sights outside the toilets, it means backtracking, but I assure you it is worth it. The approach to Princes Park in autumn is quite simply stunning. You could in 15 minutes travel from the CBD to see it this week. You don't even need your trike, you can hope the number 19 tram up Elizabeth Street and be there in about the same time. I know that means getting up from behind the typewriter but Journalists are a notoriously hardy lot, and if you wish to be one I understand it is one of the attributes you will have to work at.

I digress. Where were we? Oh yes – the walk to the ground. Lets take Saturday, the morning was brisk but bright, the emerald green parkland making for stark contrast with the brilliant autumn leaves on the many trees. You will enter, through one of those turnstiles we heard earlier, and into a dark cavernous series of alleyways, shards of light leading you upwards (this is one of the keys to avoid being stuck in the urinals) and to the terraces. Our terraces are cobbled together, each a monument to a different age, and to the layperson no real connection in the architectural style of each. The stands don't seem to mind, and neither do their occupants, you sit or stand where you are comfortable. Once you do sit, I and I understand your need to do so, for it has been a long journey and you have witnessed much for the first time, I encourage you to look around. You need not look far to see that this ground has a place for everyone. From your common tall poppy corporate targets enjoying their corporate boxes, to the families with seats they have shared for generations, to groups of mates who stand stoically as they have done for years. Every class, age, gender and political point of view is represented here. Content for a few hours to accept the destination of a sack of air is the most important thing in their lives.

Turn now to the ground Patrick. It is preserved for our beloved Blues alone, a surface not shared around amongst co-tenants could be a bowling green. What will we see this afternoon? What has a suburban afternoon in North Carlton given us this Saturday? Will it be the violent gesturing of a bay of clenched fists at a contentious holding the ball decision in front of the Social Club? Will it be the euphoric waving of arms underneath the Legends Stand greeting an impossible goal? Will it be a thousand rolled-up records urging a winger to a fifth bounce on the city wing? It might be too late Patrick, for you and others have long wished the death of suburban football, and the shame is that you probably never knew what you were wishing away. The only way to find out Patrick will be to get your head out of the toilet.


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He really hates us!

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