Synbad just a correction here, its not the success at carlton that caused all those things , it was the leadership of a moron called Elliott who caused each and everuy one of them - but in fact 14 of our flags predate him!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Is there such a movie McKays Mistress that has a support cast but no starring actors???


We have the whos who of support cast......

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As usual the cool, calm logical reasoning from Mrs. Brady

Synbad and others (myself included) have never advocated lying down to gain Priority Picks.

What we are saying is that finishing lower on the ladder means you have access to the better talent that we so desparately lack.

Some people on this thread think we can improve our list by using Picks 9 and 21 for the next 4 to 5 years - maybe we can.

Some people on this thread have demanded we give them a timetable to show them how quickly we will improve if we can access a couple of PPs and a few early PSD's - sorry cant do that either.

But I am betting the rate of improvement will be quicker than using Picks 9 and 21.

Sorry cant give you a schedule - but I am sure Wes Lofts and John Elliott thought Carlton would win a Premiership well before 1995 after we won one in 1987 - but that didn't happen either.

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dannyboy but that was a different time... even more different to when Elliot was head honcho....as a matter of fact since the new system came in how many premierships have we won ???

Yes 95 but using an infrustracture predating it...

In fact we have been poor using this new system i think youll agree.
Our main problem is we havent adjusted to whats required to be succesful and invigorate the lifeblood of this club.

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I think they're called "B" and "C" grade movies Synbad....

In our current case, it would be a combination of the two. All for getting the best talent into the club, but not do risk destroying the future'support' ie the youngsters to do so.

But without the 'really goods' to replace the senior players in the next couple of years, we will not progress either.

It is an inexact science really but that said we have some really good recruiters out there now in fact I would triple the staffing in this area. We have a no nonsense coach and board to oversee the club, so to be honest I reckon we can get ourselves out of the mess we are in, but not without some more pain yet.

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L.M 35-06

I can see the election slogan now:

VOTE 1 - SYNBAD. I'LL GET YOU THE NO.1 PICK!

Even the disciples had Jesus... who would even know who Judas was if it wernt for Jesus?????(Thats like our blokes.. they need a Jesus or two. )

Who are the seven dwarfs if it wernt for Snow white??? (our seven father sons... need a Snow White)....

Or the whole of the 20 million Iraqi population if it wernt for Saddam???
Who would have cared????

Huh???

answer me that!!!!

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If only I had an Alice to help arounfd the house

I know that you haven't advocated "tanking", but the mere mention of needing to finish low to gain the best picks starts a feeding frenzy, and I'm sick of reading about it.

BM, tripling the recruiting staff would be good, but it still doesn't give you many does it? We are behind in this department and really need to pick that up.

This whole thread is like a high school dance...all the boys standing on one side of the hall looking at all the girls standing on the other side of the hall.

In the end, they all go home frustrated.

Mrs Caz, even your esteemed partner Cazzeman will tell you the first half dozen in the National Draft pick themselves thesedays - and no amount of extra recruiting staff will help you there - will help you in the 2nd and 3rd round where it gets a bit tricky - but the quality seems to be in the first 6 these days doesn't it.

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Sorry Agro but Synbad has been a vocal advocate for at least two years for tanking. He has openly admitted to wanting us to lose games. It was this very point that started the fight between him and I.

No one argues about the advantages of finishing last and if we are crap, finish 16th then fine snap up a PP. But to craft a playing policy to delibertly finish last is something I find deeply unethical and insulting. It is cheating pure and simple, and we all know what happend the last time we cheated.

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L.M 35-06

Maybe at your High School Dances.

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gee AGRO..we can't even agree on "to tank or not to tank" or "who should play on such and such"

Why should we think that the top 6 are set in stone?

I guess this is the whole point of the debate. Everyone knows we are in for more pain, and the debate is whether to put ourselves through ALOT of pain and try to put ourselves in a position where there is more likelihood we will get out of this mess quicker, or extend the pain but lessen our chances - if that makes sense.

I remember when I left the Carlton-Melbourne game at Optus in 2003 and I was absolutely devastated that we lost that game - because we were in a winning position and gave it up and also because my heart bled for Jarrad Waite and his loss that week. My friend that I was with made the comment after the game that even though it killed him to lose it was probably better for us that we lost as it meant we would have the pick before Melb and a chance at picking up the better players (and for the record, my friend is not Synbad). I was so upset that I could barely speak to him for a week afterwards.

It turned out that we picked up Walker/Stevens, Melbourne picked up Sylvia/Read. I don't know about anyone else, but I sure know which combo I would prefer!

But all these discussions are pointless really, as many people have said on here before, it doesn't really matter what we think. If we don't improve our performance on field DRASTICALLY, Synbad will be having some very pleasant dreams during the trade and draft periods

And that is where the real recruiters skill lies picking which of the 'also rans' can be turned into the 'real goods'

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L.M 35-06

Like most things around here, it's all about who's got the biggest _ _ _ _.

BM,. i always said play the kids... but youre too stupid to understand.

Mrs Cazz,,, the top 6 might indeed not be set in stone but why wait for the others to take their picks before we can??

Surely the best way of picking something is if you pick what you want and then everyone else can get a go.

thats like we wanted Deledio last year... but we couldnt have him cos Richmond had him.. then we would have taken Buddy Franklin... well we couldnt have him either cos Hawthorn chose Buddy... anyway then we were hoping Tamblin was overlooked.. well...... no such luck...

Ok we got Russell.. i wont bag Russell... (even though i hate people with two first names as a name.. )... but the point is if we had pick 1 we would never have taken Russell... or pick 2... or 3.... or 4..... or 5.... we took him because we were limited by options and the bottom teams already chose the cream.....

Then when it came to PSD not only did we not hve any dosh to throw at an uncontracted player but we were only in a position to chase Knobel... and guess what?????even he was stolen from us!!!!!...

Fortunately anyway.. cos we got Eddie..

But the point is the real stolen children are the players we wanted and couldnt get ..........

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No-one is saying we should "craft" a "throwing games policy" - but in anycase I will let Synbad defend himself as he is big enough and ugly enough to do that himself.

But the AFL in their wisdom decided that the Draft was the way to go to even up the competition - modeled on "Worlds Best Practice" of other sporting models.

(World's Best Practice" is basically a euphimism for lazy Australian Managers in any industry - to have an all expenses paid visit to the USA and copy what they are doing over there - "Duh gee guys this is what they are doing in America so it must be World's Best Practice". )

Even in America now where they have a Draft the NBA they actually decided it was better to put the clubs in lottery to ensure that clubs did not "tank/throw/sandbag" games to get lower draft picks.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Demetrispew and Anderson (bereft of an original idea between them) will introduce a lottery type system in our own Draft - never mentioning for one minute they are doing it because they believe AFL clubs are tanking/throwing/sandbagging games - they will come up with some far "cleverer" corporate speak for the reason.

No-one is saying we will be tanking games - but tell me one thing - come Round 22 we are sitting on 5 wins and a player like Chris Judd, Daniel Wells etc is waiting at First Pick in the National Draft ........ their is no official club policy but ..........

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Thats right our list is too good that we dont need a player from the top 6 - far better to fill our list with gems from Pick 36 and beyond.

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