Our next coach?

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

Yep, CB and Gerry, I'm reading that you are on the same page, and I'm there with you.

I don't think people are saying that Voss shouldn't be our next coach, the concern is that he will be appointed hastily and without due dillegence. If a panel is put together, and the best candidates interviewed (by the way, Blue Vain, after that post, you're on the panel), and it is determined after thorough investigation that Voss is the best option, then all well and good (although I still have my doubts, based on my limited knowledge of Voss off the footy field).

There seems to be many on here who are yelling from the rafters that Voss should be coach, and maybe that's where Gerry's argument is coming from...why are people installing him here and now, without knowing anything about his coaching abilities, and without having seen anything from him since retirement that suggests he would make a good coach, and without an thorourgh selection process? Because he is a 3 times Premiership captain? Because he was tough and uncompromising and brilliant on the field? Because he was an inspiring leader? These are fantastic attriubutes to have, but don't give any indication of whether someone will make a good coach. Hence the Kernahan analogy, which is very apt.

And that brings me to my big concern, that CB has raised here, and that I raised recently in another thread. Kernahan is still around. Kernahan's performance over the years has been ordinary to say the least. He is the common denominator in every major failing at our club since Elliott. And hearing Kernahan say before each election that there are no problems with the Board and it should be re-elected , and then after each election say that we have/had to make changes because things weren't working and the Board wasn't functioning properly, is getting as tedious as hearing Pagan tell us that the players are trying as hard as they can.

I really don't want to be negative here, but if it is true that Pratt will defer all football department decisions to Kernahan (who sits on the football department, so how objective will he be anyway??) leaves me with ZERO confidence that the right process and decision will be made regarding our next coach.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

The next coach forms a very effective bond with the players and this translates into significantly improved performances.

Either of Voss or Ratten could do this, but Id think that although Voss is the candidate with the biggest risk attached - he also has the biggest potential upside.

If the kind of improvement I believ will occur actually does occur, then Voss is the man most likely to actualise this.

Then again it could be an appointment of someone weve not even considered - But id say that this is the least likely of all he alternatives.

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:50 pm

Voss' comments on Footy Classified regarding the type of club he would like to coach "One under good management that is heading in the right direction"

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

I must admit Voss was incredibly impressive tonight, and what he said in 10 minutes easily outshone anything I have heard him say as a special comments man on Channel 10. He spoke clearly and effectively, and demonstrated clear, strong communication skills, something I have felt in the past that he lacked.

It appears he has a good understanding of himself, and where he is at, and an awareness of what he thinks his weaknesses are. We all knew he was confident, he seems also to have a strong self concept.

Whether or not he has the tactical knowledge I still do not know.

Interesting discussion on On The Couch tonight, about prospective coaches in waiting. The panel's top choices were Buckley, Voss, Bond, Sumich, Ratten, Longmire, McKenna (I think), Brenton Sanderson (who apparently has big raps on him) and Damien Hardwick. Hardwick was an assistant at Essendon* (after playing in a Premiership there), and at Port when they won the flag. Now at Hawthorn...pretty good coaching apprenticeship.

Loyal Carltonian · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:12 pm

My gut feel is that Voss will be taking the reigns at Carlton next season. You can sense it by just the way he spoke tonight. I'd like to see a short list of

Brett Ratten
Michael Voss
Guy McKenna

The time has come to go with a young innovative coach. A coach that would have a few tricks up their sleeve and not one. A coach that can teach us defence and not just offence. A coach that will make our players spill blood for this club. A coach that will teach us how to win. A coach that will make players believe in their ability (Look at Collingwood and Malthouse). A coaching structure that will fast track our players for AFL. More importantly a coach that knows how to utilise a list and get the best out of it.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

Loyal Carltonian wrote:

The time has come to go with a young innovative coach. A coach that would have a few tricks up their sleeve and not one. A coach that can teach us defence and not just offence. A coach that will make our players spill blood for this club. A coach that will teach us how to win. A coach that will make players believe in their ability (Look at Collingwood and Malthouse). A coaching structure that will fast track our players for AFL. More importantly a coach that knows how to utilise a list and get the best out of it.

Couldn't agree more...as long as the Club undertakes a thorough process to determine who would best provide that fit.

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

Loyal Carltonian wrote:

A coach that can teach us defence and not just offence.

And I thought that Pagan supposedly forces them to play defensively rather than their "natural games" ...

Seems he's too attacking and too defensive all at the same time :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:25 pm

Siegfried wrote:

Interesting discussion on On The Couch tonight, about prospective coaches in waiting. The panel's top choices were Buckley, Voss, Bond, Sumich, Ratten, Longmire, McKenna (I think), Brenton Sanderson (who apparently has big raps on him) and Damien Hardwick. Hardwick was an assistant at Essendon* (after playing in a Premiership there), and at Port when they won the flag. Now at Hawthorn...pretty good coaching apprenticeship.

McKenna wasn't in the top 5 of any of the three panellists. I was a bit surprised at that. Both Healy and Sheahan had Voss and Buckley and 1 and 2. Walls didn't have either from memory.

There might be something in that!

Loyal Carltonian · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:38 pm

I still like the idea of Voss. The fact that he supported the Blues before his playing days wins me over. The last five years have been a disaster for our club under Denis Pagan. Why not take the risk with Voss? Things can't get any worse can they? With another draft coming our club will have the resources for Vossy to work with.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

camelboy wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

Interesting discussion on On The Couch tonight, about prospective coaches in waiting. The panel's top choices were Buckley, Voss, Bond, Sumich, Ratten, Longmire, McKenna (I think), Brenton Sanderson (who apparently has big raps on him) and Damien Hardwick. Hardwick was an assistant at Essendon* (after playing in a Premiership there), and at Port when they won the flag. Now at Hawthorn...pretty good coaching apprenticeship.

McKenna wasn't in the top 5 of any of the three panellists. I was a bit surprised at that. Both Healy and Sheahan had Voss and Buckley and 1 and 2. Walls didn't have either from memory.

There might be something in that!

Indeed there might! Interesting that Walls was a coach who served no apprenticeship.

Sorry to be pedantic CB, but Healy and Shehan both had Buckley 1 and Voss 2. IMHO, what I have heard from Buckley still impresses me more than what I have heard from Voss.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

Loyal Carltonian wrote:

Why not take the risk with Voss? Things can't get any worse can they?

We can't afford risks. We have to minimise risks. We have to get the odds as heavily stacked in our favour as we can. It's not about things getting worse, it's about HOW MUCH better we want them to be.

If after a thorough process Voss is deemed to be the best talent, the one most likely, then great, appoint him. But then it is not taking a big risk.

We have an opportunity to rebuild the club to hopefully be a Premiership contender. If we don't, then we miss the boat with developing the young talent we have, and then we have to wait to get the next batch. And we all know only too well how painful the process of accumulating real talent is.

Call me selfish, but I don't want to wait another 20 years to see another Flag.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:52 pm

Siegfried wrote:

Sorry to be pedantic CB, but Healy and Shehan both had Buckley 1 and Voss 2.

No problems.

No doubt in my mind that Buckley will coach a premiership team.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

camelboy wrote:

No doubt in my mind that Buckley will coach a premiership team.

That's not a particularly pleasant thought CB, when you think about the probability of where he will coach.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13693

LIke a broken record I've been on the Buckley for coach bandwagon.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:25 am

actually I want the bloke who's coaching my son - now there's a coach!

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:27 am

Siegfried wrote:

camelboy wrote:

No doubt in my mind that Buckley will coach a premiership team.

That's not a particularly pleasant thought CB, when you think about the probability of where he will coach.

There is that, but while my statement is one based purely on gut feel and potential I reckon his players will be asking "how high" before he has even asked them to jump.

When he talks football, he is very impressive, very composed, very considered and, IMO, very good.

If chucky is in seat 1A, then I'm definitely in seat 1B on the bandwagon. Put it this way, if Buckley had Voss' playing resume I doubt anyone would consider an alternative to Buckley, he could name his price at pretty much any club in the market for a senior coach.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:39 am

remember Bollingwood talking about sending Buckley over to the States for a year to learn and then bring him back but really with Malthause coaching so well at the moment unless he is thinking retirement I'd be worried if I were Buckley at becoming a 'Costello' at the Mugpies.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:50 am

That will never happen.

Mark Harvey is more in your Costello waiting mode.

Buckley will get things done.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:53 am

yes but he may get things done elsewhere

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8632

I watched Footy Classified last night and I think I saw our new Coach being interviewed :wink:

He was very impressive. He also said that he wanted to go to a club that was well managed & I believe we are heading in that direction with Swan & Icke.

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