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Hughesy on Nova this morning said the final straw was when Pagan rang down to the bench with a couple of minutes remaining in Saturday's game and asked for Fev to be put back on the ground. The runner rang back and said he couldn't, Fev had already removed his boots and socks!

I noticed on the telecast as Pagan walked across the ground after the game he was very animated, couldn't see who he was talking to/yelling at. I know we'd lost by 77, but to show emotion like that is unlike Denis, perhaps Fev had broken him.

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A snippet in todays Herald Sun has mentioned that Fev has gone away for a couple of days with his wife.

A few days of R & R with his wife and I dare say he will be thinking,

"mmmm,,, this life or putting up with Pagan's shit,,,,,,,I'll choose this"

Fev might think its time to hang up the boots and put family first!!!!



just stirring the Pot

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I think this whole Fev stuff is being blown way out of proportion.

Other clubs have taken a similar path to disciplining players and with some good results as well.

Geelong - Steve Johnson
Swans - Nick Davis
Fremantle - Jeff Farmer

If Fev is half the player we all want him to be, and half the man he should be, then he'll bounce back in a Navy Blue jumper bigger and better than ever. And this whole episode will be a bit of a laugh in 6 months time.

I see the danger in other clubs publicly stating they'd be interested in recruiting Fev, because this gives him an easy out.

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Personally I think that the Didak issue have been handled appallingly. Imagine if the rumor turn out to be true that Didak did know the guys and was not the first time that he has been to a hells angles clubhouse. I believe that would warrent a suspension plus the conditions that they have placed on him. After all they suspended 3 players earlier this year for far less than what Didak has done, and lets not forget that Didak is a repeat offender.

To the guys thinking that they could have dealt with this behind close doors OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! how many times does Fev need to be told before you are satisfied that he has been warned without making this public?

There are questions still to be answered like why he was he in Perth on Thurday night when the team flew out on Friday? Did he take off his boots before the game was finished? Why was he on a different flight on the way home? Does the team respect him and does he respect them? Was the decision made in consult with the leadership group?

Fev cannot handle any criticism or smart comments about him, I have seen this in conversation with him and during club events. He is like the little boy that was constantly told the sun shines out of you know where by his mum and now believes that he is all that.

Fev if you happen to read this, remember there is one quality that all true champions have - the ability to be humble. Unless you can learn that, then I am afraid that you will never be the person that you want to be.

Same thing was reported on SEN by Greg Denham this morning.

Apprently there was a Carlton player on the ground who was hurt, and Fevola was needed to come back on, but couldn't cause his boots (he wasn't sure about his socks) were off.

Remember, Swann was sitting in the coaches box and would have been privy to all this.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

We need to do a deal THIS trade period. We can't allow him to be un-contrcated in 2008 given that there's a fair chance Essendon* and StKilda will be in the lower part of the ladder and we know how they do business .

We have to get a quality player and high draft pick to ensure our present and future - that's going to be hard to achieve - Good luck Swannie!

I agree. I think we are at a stage now where we SERIOUSLY have to think about trading Fev. He is a great player, no doubt. But we cannot run the risk of him throwing in the towel next year. We can't lose this gem for nothing. We are in the BEST position in YEARS to do a killer trade, we have to strike while the coal is hot.

Sheedy on SEN this morning said that in his mind, Fev is worth 2 first round picks without a doubt. Good signs. Other clubs, take note! Fev is a once in a life time forward, start organising your offers!

PS. For the Fev fans out there, I am in awe of Fev too. In a perfect scenario, I would love for Fev to stay. But I just can't see him committing to the club 100%. The thing that could hurt most is that, after all the support we give him now, he may turn around and @#$%&! us up by saying he wants out at the end of 2008. That would be a tragedy for all those who have supported him. Can any of you GUARANTEE he won't do that?

Noone else on the bench was there????
Look some of this stuff is over the top....

Like Fev was drunk playing cards the night before gameday.?????

Somewhere .. somehow there are alot of Fevola stories being leaked/fabricated/exagerrated or whatever that in my opinion are geared towards encouraging a trade...

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What they said!

There are three possible scenarios in all this...

1. Fev stays at Carlton and gets his act together and is a star for the next 5 years.

2. Fev stays at Carlton, doesn't get his act together, doesn't fulfil his potential, and is disruptive. We don't get value out of him, and we don't get trade value, because he is a year older, out of contract, another year of poor history etc.

3. We trade Fev now, while he is still under contract, so there is no risk of losing him for nothing, and while he still has very high currency. We get a deal that we are very happy with (there is no chance he will be traded for an average deal, not with Pratt and Swann overseeing things)...players and / or draft picks that help the Club move forward (and Fev goes elsewhere, and is either a success or otherwise).

The simple question is...which of these three options is MOST likely to provide the BEST outcome for Carlton?

IMHO...

Option 1 - we would all love Fev to get his act together, become a reaql leader, and kick 80+ goals a season for the next 5 years. If we KNEW he was going to do that, I doubt anyone on here would be advocating that we trade him. HOWEVER, there is no gurantee that this will happen. In fact, his track record over 9 years, with all the chances he has been given, suggests that he will not.

But we don't know, so the question is, how much of a risk is it?

Option 2 - disastrous.

Option 3 - If we get great players / picks, then the probability of a great outcome is very high (not guaranteed of course, but nothing is guaranteed).

So, it's option 1 or 3, and for me, the scenario that is most likely to benefit the Club (which needs every bit of benefit it can get) is to trade Fevola. It has the least risk, and the potential for upside is just as great.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

So slowly, slowly the bits and pieces are coming out. There's this, then there's that, then theres abit more. Fev is not the victim here nomatter how much some people may think he is the messiah.

If the Fev supporters think that Gregg Swann went from 0 to 100 in the blink of an eye then you really are deluded and black will always be white to you.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Isnt it funny though how Hughesy on Nova and a job that can pump stuff out to mass knows what went on on the bench...in WA???



Yes its all coming out... but its calculated ... which does not go well for moral when players know this is how the club handles things.

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double post

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

No fabrication required from the club. What Langdon has said has nothing to do with CFC. Just as an aside Badman has anyone read or heard any comments from his teammates either for or against the suspension.

If anyone hears of reads a direct quote from a teammate suggesting he was hard done by I would be interested to know about it.

Also who were the young, impressionable players sitting on the bench alongside Fev as he was removing his socks and boots before the game was finished? Do you think he was sitting on the bench saying nothing? You've had staff and you know the line has to been drawn in the sand eventually.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

I agree with alot of that Cazz,
BUT... the club has a responsibility to air the reasons why they have sacked Fev (even temporarily) otherwise its full of speculation and innuendo.
Agree?
Did the club come out in defence of Fev about the Langdon accusations?Or in defence of Langdon?
When you do hand out punishment.. it must me swift.. honest and open!!.. bercause this is not about Fev or Swann.. its about hundreds of thousands of supporters who NEED to know whats going on.
The players understand.

I really think this is a @#$%&! up!!!... and its also pushing Fev to be traded.

You can still trade a player without all the noise!!

Makes no sense to me!!.. its just so Olde Worlde (Wish i could write that in Olde Worlde writing)
All we have done is start the rumour mills rolling....
And allow for untruths to be speculated.

Come out and state EXACTLY why...

We havent...

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I take it from Cazzes postings that the shoes and sock story is true.

I supported this suspension from the start. I was beginning to wonder whether it was harsh. Not any more. That is a disgrace. He has let his teammates down severely. I think before he is allowed back, he needs to apologise to the whole team.

To think he was upset about not being made captain. He had posters on this website saying he should be captain. He has showed why he isnt captaincy material.

The more people portray him as a victim, the less likely he is to grow up and take responsibility for himself.

I would love to have a fit and firing Fev back at the club, but only if he has taken responsibility for his actions. No wonder he didnt speak at the meeting. What the flower was he supposed to say?

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Had this all happened 12 months ago, Didak would've been suspended until the police matter had been sorted, and Fev would be playing against Melbourne.

This is what we got Swann for, let him do what he needs to to right the ship.

Greg Swan did come out and say that what Langdon said was crap.

I don't believe the club needs to give a blow by blow description of what Fev did. 90% was on the field for everyone to see. This isnt a light decision, its not fun. Greg Swann isnt a hack CEO. We need to give him some credit

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No.. but the club needs to come out and make a statement.. not do it through Hughesy on Nova.. (who is a moron).. or SENs Australian journalists.

To me its weak and spineless!!

And it suggests to me we have a long way to go to be a strong club.. if we have a bunch of jellyfish still running the club!!

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Well he was there and there were plenty of other experienced staff standing alongside Fev who aren't blind, deaf and dumb.

I am struggling to see why you are supporting Fev. You have torn Red apart, you have ripped the old board from pillar to post (rightly so) because you claimed they were not up to it and wouldn't bleed blue and now you want to support a bloke who currently thinks he is bigger than the club. One of the greatest teams the Blues ever had was in 1995. Every one of those 22 blokes would be applauding the stance CFC has taken and you know it.

Don't blame Denis, don't blame Greg Swann, just except that Fev has 110% bought this upon himself. He stepped over the line to many times and has been called on his actions and attitude to the club, the coaches and his team-mates.

If the club is not greater than the individual then all really is lost.

And when you reply please don't make this a Denis issue because it isn't no matter how you may like to spin it. It's a Fev head-space issue plain and simple.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Well if it was handled with strength its now a couple of days on we wouldnt still be handling this debate!!!.. wed have all moved on ... except Fevolution...

But because were getting a whole heap of things coming in droobs and drabs we dont.!!

Its just a whole heap of things on the drip!!..

its not the way you handle stuff with a personality as big as Fevola!!

Come out and state what he did and why he is being punished!!!

Its MUCH easier...

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