titimus I think what you have said is something which we all need to consider, including me.

I think they say to wait until the 50 game mark to make opinions, is that right?

I will be mindful to extend Simpson the same courtesy.

It was Richard Vandenberg and he was clearly gonna be beaten, due to size, but Kade beat him hands down, and shot off like a bullet.

Some of these posters are on the weed!!!!

Big Danny G and tekno ... grow up FFS!

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Couldn't agree more.

Well said. Know any good anit-Carlton message boards?

For someone whose only played 12 games he has showed enough to persevere with.

go easy on simmo, idiots...

he has been one of our positives so far this season...we need to have a good long hard look at the rest of our list before we even think about simmo.

we have an absolutely shitehouse list, and the only way we will go forward is by playing the kids... simmo is a kid, so play him.

hey simonverbeek, just because he doesnt go so flash one game u r calling for his head? give me a break! give him time, he will learn from his mistakes. if simmo goes at the end of this year ill be stnned...HED HAS TALENT AND IN A LIST THAT IS CRYING OUT FOR TALENTED KIDS WE CANT GO CUT THOSE THAT FIT THE CRITERIA!!!!! it really isnt so hard to understand

also...get rid of bentick? wtf r u on? hes played 6 7 games and ure telling me hes no good?

so all you doubters...u have to go to a mirror and have a good long look at yourselves...we are carlton supporters not to bag everyone on the list but to support the club...i agree, we may not have much talent, but its an absolutely stupid idea to get rid of the kids that do have talent!

GO BLUES!!!

One moment: Melbourne game, starts in the centre, receives from Bentick, breaks a tackle and kicks the ball 50 to Kouta´s advantage, goal.

First season, one or two bad games is acceptable. His stats mean nothing, u´d need to multipply them by 4 to account for the game time he´s had.

Give the boy some time Geez. He's quick and kick the thing a mile. Good players don't come overnight. Give him time

Simmo is staying and will be a star midfielder in years to come. Pagan is rotating him with Bentick and Betts though various positions so expecting starring roles or high possesion games is just stupid.

For all those going on about Simpson stats, please read the following stats on one Simon Wiggins who has played more than 50 games:

Games: 9
Kicks: 45
Handballs: 32
Average: 8.6

Lets wait till Simmo has played 50 games before we start baggin him.

Oh and whats happened to the Andrew Walker is no good threads this week?

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Don't worry, next time he has an off game they'll be guaranteed to return.

I reckon Kade is the last guy you have to call for his head.
He will be a good player.
some of you expect too much from 20 year olds...
Kade shows he can do it in the VFL and has played good games in the AFl... i reckon his form warranted the chop but id keep him in and helf develop him for the future.
The more minutes and games Kade plays the better he will become.
His spot is already taken by the VC... run past and collect the kick and distribute....
I reckon Kade will be just as effective playing this role when there is a spot for him to be the handball receive player of the team... in the mean time we have one who is older a vice captain and much better played to play that role.. So Kade will have to try and find himself a real possie in the mean time....

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Difference being Kade has better disposal, a better defensive side to his game, isn't afraid to take the difficult option and has ten years on his side.

From what I've seen Kade is a better option than Campo. Campo has completely lost the plot this year for mine (or maybe I'm only just noticing it now). When Campo retires Kade is a ready made substitute, hopefully without the bad habits.

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I can recall that Fevola a few years ago was seen as a complete dud and waste of time.

So according to the logic displayed by some of the posters here, those calling for Simmos head after 12 games would have also wanted Fev delisted a few years ago too?

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Unbelievable tripe yet again. Honest question what do some people expect out of players? If he is playing a low possesion game and nullifying his opponent what is the issue?

Hmm seem to remember a little fat slow man runnin around in our magoos that we traded out to Geelong and then bought back to the club for mega bucks years later..was it 2 or 3 brownlows that he won? Can remember a young bloke in his first few games was slaughtered admittedly he was tryin to to take the big speckie at all times. But he developed into one of our most revered back men. What were Warnes first stats in the very first test he played for AUS (1/150 over 2 innings). All these blokes are examples of how patience and confidence transpire to performance.

Secondly how many of you people have played a game of football and been unbeatable a lil ball magnet? I doubt anyone here no matter how long they have been playing has been perfect week in and week out.

Do we wont a skier?? A fat redhead?? Do we want a young unbridled kid that we can mould into the Carlton game plan or spirit? Do you want a Bradley/Kernahan performance from a 19yr old with 6/12 senior games and pyhsically developing still? Who is playing against guys who are more developed and experienced.

Being the best at anything is in the head. Simmo isnt a dud or he would not have been in the draft, Archie is no dud for the same reason and you can go on and on. Bottom line is the team has no self belief and no belief in one another and if we could throw in a McCleod or a Voss into the mix our results at this point in time will be no different.

Our other problem with these youngsters is they feel they have made the big time by just gettin onto the 42. Then its game time and they are out there with the big boys its panic time (u can read on their faces holly flower what do i do now?) There isnt the Kernahan, Dean, Silvagni to pick em up by the boots and tell em to get on with it and inspire the confidence.

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Can smell the gf its there for the taking we are the form side

The faithful have rushed to the defence of our next premiership captain kade 'diesel' simpson .

This is a very strange website. It seems you can bag any of our best 5 players and get applauded for it. Examples: Fevola's undisciplined and should be traded, Campo is shit (Deano - "kade is better than campo" - get a grip sweetie), Kouta was bagged last year (pretty quiet now arent you all), Whitnall is shit (whatever).

Bottom line - bag the good players and talkingcarlton.com will make a cult out of you.
None of you realise that we're shit because our lower tier of players are not developing and are not AFL standard. This is the problem.

But you can't bag Wiggins on this site - he goes so hard
But you can't bag Sporn on this site - superstar
But you can't bag Davies on this site - he dominates the two's
But you can't bag Bannister on this site - gun

You all watch too much bullants crap which makes some of these duds look good (Longmuir looks like John Coleman when wearing the hallowed red guernsey). Newsflash - VFL form is irrelevant. Big jump people, BIG BIG jump.

And so we come to Kade Simpson. You roll out the excuses:
He's young. he's had 1 good moment in 12 games when the ball bounced the wrong way for vandenberg (YAY!). he goes great in the VFL (so would a midget on crutches). He's got a good kick (gotta get it to kick it people!).

You're all delusional.

Call a dud a "a young player who really tries has a great kick and hasn't had enough time yewt blah blah"

OR

Call a dud a dud - and be realistic about Carlton's lower tier.

Sorry for interrupting wiggoworshippers, spornservants, and simpsonlovers - GO BACK TO BAGGING CHAMPIONS - you're all great at it.

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So I guess you think bowyer and clarke are of AFL quality?
You're dreaming


Are you kidding? Positive? For positives this season refer to messrs Waite, Thornton, Betts, Walker today, Carrazo maybe.
If you think getting in a TV screen ten times in a half for no touches is a positive, you don't have high expectations.




Don't call me anti-carlton mate, I'm sure I've bled navy for longer than you.

What is anti-Carlton is being unrealistic about who deserves the navy jumper. You can criticise without being anti-carlton, genius.
I'm being pro-carlton by indicating that I want this club to be great again and some don;t cut it.

GO DELUDE YOURSELVES

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Good that you've got something or someone to post about.

Yes he had a shocker - you wont get disagreement on that frmo anyone. But as for culling him, and Bentick for that matter (do you guys actually watch the games, or just pick people to harrass?), would discount youth, superior VFL performance (which is highly relevant - how else do you press your claim as a young player?) and our need to blood young players.

If you're so into end of the world stuff then go & read a sci-fi novel. If you're into watching the future of the club, keep supporting them.

I thought the bloke from Geelong made a Big point when asked how Geelong had managed to get their list together. As well as the ususal stuff he said - 'and we keep hold of 'em longer'. Now this is important. See already we want to get rid of Archie, Kade, Wiggo, Bentick (shit I think even AW has gone close ) but what we should be doing is just playing them exactly like Denis is. Bit at a time, take it slowly (hey we really aren't going anywhere fast) watch them develop - they will. Dud is such a stupid term for someone who had played even 1 minute of AFL. - dud compared to who?

Now if what you are really saying is you think Kade will not make it, fine, maybe you are right, but 12 games is too soon, especially given the predicament this club is in - see what we do not want to do is develop the gangrene mentality where we cut bits off willy nilly for fear of losses. Take it on the chin, develop these kids, they can play - will they all make it? No.

But at this point in time, with our list, the best thing is to give them enough time so we can catch the ones that will make it. Will it be AB or Wiggo or Simmo? I really don't think we know yet, but we'll take out time, find out, and this time get it right.

And as we do we'll add, maybe one or two more AW's whose class is unquestioned, maybe a Stevo or two from other clubs and more young lads, and more time to develop them and in five years we'll know. Yep five years, anyone think its going to be any faster needs to do a Hare and sit under a tree for a while.

there will be glimmers but it will take time for bodies and minds and culture to develop.

In the meantime we watch the Kade's and the Wiggo's and we let the club evaluate and we'll see.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. If were a kid out there playing AFL without much support, I reckon you'd be defecating in your pants. Simpson has shown that he has the tools, not like other players who've shown they haven't.

Young players are known to be inconsistent, even Judd has bad games. Walker hasn't had 26 possessions since his debut, let's get rid of him.

Let's get rid of players who are new to the team, haven't played with the others for a length of time, don't know their teammates that well yet, lack the body size for AFL at this stage.

Those of you who work, I bet you made mistakes in your first month on the job. Maybe your boss should have sacked you then. He/She didn't. Why? Because they had belief in you and felt you were learning. Why don't you just bloody shut up and give them some time? If they have the tools, give them time. Some players don't have the tools, that's a different story.

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