Wooden spoon looks quite possible this year.

But is a wooden spoon in 2002 worse, better or the same as a wooden spoon in 2005?

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My Blue Heaven

2002 we were hit by injuries and playing kids.

2005 we don't have injuries to speak off and are playing the best we can....

2005 would be worse....

its always worse

but then we pretend with the pp's

and suck our lollipops

and go dancing away up the hill

like Jack and Jills'

or Laurel and Hardys'.

I do not ever want

to enjoy a wooden spoon

or claim one is less hurtful

than the other!

That way lays the end...


(cue helicopter blades and the Doors) This is the end....My dear old friend the end....

(with the backstreet boys singing in the street, don't forget the P.P.'s....)

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Both horrible!

My Dad always used to say - People only remember who came 1st, 2nd and who came last. Coming last means so much. Its just that the AFL system rewards you so much for coming last.

If i had to say, I would say 2002 is much worse because it broke our unblemished record. Coming last again, in 2005, unfortuantely just makes us like any other team in this respect.

If its at all possible to look past the pain of a second spoon, which year has the best player base on which to build a future team, 2002 or 2005?

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My Blue Heaven

I don't find pain in a wooden spoon anymore

my dear old friend the end

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'm the same. It was nice when we could rub it into opposition supporters about not winning one but now I couldn't give a @#$%&!.

Wooden spoon = Good draft picks = Premierships

The worrying thing is we were decimated with injuries in 2002 but if we get French back we will be at full strength.

Bring on the priority picks as they will bring the club a great influx of A grade talent we haven't seen since 1986.If Lance decides it is best to part company his performance today showed he will be in demand from clubs who seek a quality forward. Houlihan and Deluca should perhaps be packaged for a late 1st round pick and they are both expendable.Clarke will hopefully be drafted to play DeLuca's role and Houlihanmay get us another tall like Pattison late 1st round.The Cats did it with Moloney and the Tigers with Ottens and their supporters knew it was necessary even though they were popular.

Sorry Danny, but we have to get quality players urgently. It's not about trying to finish on the bottom - its that we will!!

I hate the thought of a wooden spoon again, but at least this time we'll get the help we need. 3-4 picks in the top 20 plus the 1st in the PSD will get us climbing.

Your romanticism is honourable - but facts and necessity deem it to be our only true weapon of hope.

This side is the worst in the league in 5 decades! Lack of depth and lack of talent. Not since the North Melbourne's and South Melbourne's of the 60's have I seen worse.

Just a terrible plight borne out of poor recruiting and administration of the late 90's. We dreamt we could beat the system then, we are dreaming if we think we can beat it with this terribly average list. Some try hard, others are just very trying.

I want my medicine at the end of the year. Then a vaccination to stop it from ever happening again.

Bring on November 2005 - it can't come quick enough for me

For a moment there I thought I logged onto Saintsational

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The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Ronald Reagan

Could not have said it better my self. Why would anyone want the Spoon
Maybe we should take a leaf at of the Pies book and see how they have turned things round.

Draft Picks will not win you a flag

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

They haven't turned it around...they're not going to go anywhere for the next few years the way they are going. Going to continually finish mid-range...perfect.

Draft picks can certainly help win a flag, and if we can snag a good player in the PSD...

No you miss the point, im not stupid I understand that we will finish last but i do not want us too, ever, i want it alwasy to hurt, always, otherwise what's the point.

Everyone babbling over PP's are just warming their feet cos it's cold and dark and there is no one to cuddle.

that's fine, I'm doing it too.. you know oh te kids the kids 9fake erection0 oh the picks the picks (disappointing climax) really its like masturbation - it brings relief but little joy.

but i always want a spoon to hurt. Always.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Like all those other woodenspooners that have gone on to win flags... What a pile of crap...

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What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I definitely overpaid for my carpet
Woody Allen

so all these years when i've been correcting people who used the expression "to WIN a wooden spoon" i apologise ... they obviously were ahead of their time and knew that a wooden spoon = pp => perfect panacea

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

carlton deserve the wooden spoon and the high draft picks that come with it.
without doubt the worst team in the league and with almost no injuries to speak of.

injuries handicap other teams. carlton's lack of talented players and numerous duds are its only handicap.

The first spoon was bad, and this one will be just as bad. and it should be.

Carlton is still paying for the glutony of the Elliot administration, for its inability to adapt to a new national competition, a competition with salary caps and drafts. For poor player management and player trading. For hanging onto its old decaying home ground far too long and incuring massive debts and erroding all the clubs finances accumulated over 10s of years. Carlton has faired worst of all the VFL clubs transition to a national leauge.

Carlton = very good VFL club
Carlton = very poor AFL club

Nice danny.

Wooden spoons=Backstreet Boys=shit

glad someone got it

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!