Why the hell was livo dragged......sure he struggled against Barry Hall and he can get the fumbles when his confidence is down, but he also did some pretty good things, spoils, tackles smothers. What he needs is confidence through game time. Hard to be confident when you know that next mistake and you're off. Really, O'Loughlin's goals were totally outpointing Teague to mark, outpointing McGrath to mark, then, after Bolton has strolled for 50 metres with the ball, under absolutely no pressure, he spots up O'Loughlin doubling back and Livo can't quite get to him. In that situation Roos would be livid if the Swans didn't goal. Livo dragged, then in a less dangerous foray forward by the swans Morrell gets caught out hopelessly by O'Loughlin doubling back for his fourth.

Anyone hoping Pagan will tank is kidding themselves. I don't want to tank but I want to give every chance to young players, not see them humiliated for an error. I also don't know why Pagan insists on playing injured players. We know how good Kouta and Stevo are, if they are not 100%, rest them and give more chances to the young players fighting for their spots. Stevo is long term for us, we don't want to turn him into a crock just so DP won't have a spoon on his cv.

yep - very dissappointed in that move by Pagan

Also, very disappointed in Stevens when he took it upon himself to take the kick out after Bryan was shafted.

Also, dissappointed with the move from pagan which saw Prenda come off after doing very well on Goodes. He started to get a bit of the ball (Goodes) when Prenda was off, then when he came back on, Goodes didnt get much of it.

Thought he was very damaging as well in that period that Prenda wasnt on him.

Think in all circumstances a quite word of encouragment would have done alot more good than the action that was taken.

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Couldn't agree more fellas.

If a player is taken off for a few minutes so Pagan can get on the phone to them I don't see it as a problem. When they're dragged and kept off for the rest of the game I start to get a little concerned with the decision.

agree with that, i have no problem with that either, like i said, words on encouragment is all any of those incidents needed.

putting livo on the pine for that was a poor decision, same with Prenda

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Agree lads!

Was a critical time to upset the structure by taking Livo off for that.

signs of tanking / point shaving perhaps

same reasons whitnall was thrown into the ruck and bryan sent forward

aagh - a conspiracy theory !!!

Love em !

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

careful....you'll give Demetriou a reason to take away this years draft picks

As if this hasn't been the first item on the agenda at every single AFL meeting since we appeared to be on the slide anyway.

My comments don't mean shit but i actually expect something stupid like this to happen.

As if Demetriou is going to let us waltz back into contention with the help of a priority pick.

Some stupid scandal will arise that has Collins giving the club underhanded payments through Telstra Dome revenue and then we will be forced to merged with the Kangaroos.

The AFL hate us and will do anything to crush us even further.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Yeah just on the Bryan kick out. BMjnr and I where seated up that end of the ground right beside the cheer squad. Could not believe he was penalised for it. Shocking decision. Agree Nick should have let Bryan take the kick.

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I too was p*ssed off when Livo was dragged - talking about destroying his confidence. What else was he supposed to do re: the O'Loughlin mark & goal. Perhaps he could've applied some body pressure but that would've risked a free quick. I reckon Silvagni would've struggled to do any better in that instance. To be dragged for the rest of the game I thought was wrong!!

i thought T-bird should have been dragged for the constant abuse he gives other team mates when his opponent takes a mark against him.

Most disappointing thing for me in the last quarter was at a crunch time when Kennally was running through the middle. He had a bounce and then was able to get it to Buchanan who was 10-15 mtrs in front of Houlihan - he had all the time in the world to gather, turn and pick out O'Keefe.

Houlihan had ample time to see that the ball was coming into the foward line, yet could still not get anywhere near his opponent. No Geelong player had that sort of space on Friday night. Very disappointing.

Yeah, didn't like that, especially the one when he kicked, missed the target by a mile and it went to a swans player and it came straight back to Hall, then he had a go at the others that were near Hall.

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I'd have been ropable at prenders then too - no shepherd, position, anything.... just sort of stood there.

Speaking of things bad, was really disappointed by a couple of Lappin's `efforts'.
There was an instance - second quarter I think - when Kennelly drifted to a flank at a bounce on their half-forward line and Stevens was yelling for someone to pick him up. Lappin made half an effort, but was still metres off him and, guess what, Sydney won the ball and it was kicked to Kennelly.
I'm a fan of Lappin but he came up short in a few other contests as well. He mightn't be fully fit but that doesn't stop you having a dip all the time.
It's been a tough year for the boy.

I think you'd find that when Prenda was on Goodes, Goodes kept on running to another Carlton midfielder double teaming us so Prenda came off to just mix it up.

I'm a big Livo lover luca but I thought he could have done better then. there was no attempt to push back on O'Loughlin, no leap to try and put him off - just a couple of hands on his chest that didn't seem to go anywhere. I thought it only deserved 2 mins on the pine, but maybe Pagan was annoyed at Livo for having to switch him early in thegame, depriving drive from Thornton.

I was more disappointed with a couple of our other defenders on the weekend namely T-Bird and Teague. T-Bird is very good at applying defensive pressure and spoiling but it is what he does with the ball in his hands that is starting to worry me - He has turned the ball over a hell of a lot this year and I cant work at why because he seems to be highly skilled.
It may be just a learning curve he is going through playing a bit further up the ground.

David Teague is having a dirty old year compared to last year and I am wondering (apart from the fact he has been asked to take on opponents that he is not suited to ) is he carrying an injury or is it just a complete lack of confidence as he is not the shadow of the player he was last year.

I get the impression with Livo his football career will be mapped out for him in the next 11 weeks _He should of played more in 2003 but Pagan overlooked him to get his mates 300 games up - I'm still bitter and twisted over that

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Teague gets exposed when there is little pressure exerted on the opposition midfield. He has bags of courage, but most weeks is pitted against someone either 6" taller, or a yard or two quicker.