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Surely it would be an 8 week injury.........have his foot in a cam walker (space boot) for quite a few weeks then actually getting back on the ground


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SEN just announced that Deluca has a stress facture of the opposite foot to the one he broke earlier possibly 6-8 weeks


Archie should pull up stumps for this year, go see Hirds foot doctor and get it fixed properly. Concentrate on next year.....and yes he should be there next year imo.


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SEN just announced that Deluca has a stress facture of the opposite foot to the one he broke earlier possibly 6-8 weeks


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Mr Setanta, come on down. This should give him a good run at it. Good luck Arch BTW. Strengthen those feet and soften those hands on your little break.

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Dare i say a Matty Allan type injury. We all know Matty was never the same after his injury.

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Age says its the season!

Deluca's season in doubt

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Coach Denis Pagan said the club was waiting on further medical advice as to whether the 23-year-old would miss the rest of the year or the next six to eight weeks.

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Bloody hell,

ANOTHER Carlton stress-fracture.

Surely we'd be going for some sort of record over the last few years, wouldn't we?


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There have been more moon boots at Carlton than at Cape Canaveral the last few years.

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another stress fracture.... makes you wonder what the hell is going on down there. we seem to have more stress fractures than any other club by a looooonnngggg way. and yet we train on what is perceived as one of the best surfaces in the AFL. i just don't get it. anyway, given that he had stress fractures in the off-season, i reckon they should rest him for the rest of the season. just let him fully recover and be super prepared for a big crack at it next year. i wonder how long ADL has been playing under duress? and i'd look at giving one of the rookie's a go. as much as i'd like to see setanta have another run, i think he may be best served having 4 quarter games in the VFL. with this in mind i'd either give pleming a go, see if he is any chance at AFL level given that this is his last year on the rookie list. or if they have already made up their minds on pleming, jesse smith deserves a crack. he could be the inside mid that we've been praying for.


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No - I think if Fev and Deluca are both out then Setanta should be given four quarters in the AFL.


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from despair comes oppurtunity.

this is the perfect time to give Setanta some serious game time in the seniors before promoting him full time next year to the senior list.

i wouldnt be dissappointed if someone like Jessie Smith was given a go but think that it would be far more valuable to Setanta's development for him to play and get some serious game time for the seniors.

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from despair comes oppurtunity.



Crisitunity ....

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I'm for Jesse Smith being promoted. Let Carlos continue his fine form in the Bullants and really develop an ability to dominate at that level.

Our weekness is in the middle, we need to be trying whatever midfielders we have and from games I've seen and listened to Jesse Smith is a what we are looking for.

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i would be pretty happy with either to be honest.

smith to give him a chance

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setanta to give him some more game time in the "real stuff"

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another stress fracture.... makes you wonder what the hell is going on down there. we seem to have more stress fractures than any other club by a looooonnngggg way. and yet we train on what is perceived as one of the best surfaces in the AFL. i just don't get it. anyway, given that he had stress fractures in the off-season, i reckon they should rest him for the rest of the season. just let him fully recover and be super prepared for a big crack at it next year. i wonder how long ADL has been playing under duress? and i'd look at giving one of the rookie's a go. as much as i'd like to see setanta have another run, i think he may be best served having 4 quarter games in the VFL. with this in mind i'd either give pleming a go, see if he is any chance at AFL level given that this is his last year on the rookie list. or if they have already made up their minds on pleming, jesse smith deserves a crack. he could be the inside mid that we've been praying for.


I actually wondered how good a season he would have after he missed part of the pre-season.

Players just can't get it together when they miss pre-season, its vital these days.

Rest him for the year. May as well promote Setanta and play him for a couple of games. More development playing 4 quarters in the VFL but doesn't hurt to give him a taste. Not sure about Smith, we've already got a few skinny teenagers to play, Blackwell, Bentick. Maybe Becker or Batson if we leave Setanta. No idea how ready they are though

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TBB - I'd accept the pre-season logic if he was failing to finish off games, or if he lookes as though he couldn't sprint 50metres to chase someone.

But IMHO you cant use that excuse for basic skill failures - falling over in the ruck, dropping easy marks. I think ADL can be a worthwhile player for us but I think we should accept that he's got some serious work to do on his marking and rucking for him to make it.


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TBB - I'd accept the pre-season logic if he was failing to finish off games, or if he lookes as though he couldn't sprint 50metres to chase someone.

But IMHO you cant use that excuse for basic skill failures - falling over in the ruck, dropping easy marks. I think ADL can be a worthwhile player for us but I think we should accept that he's got some serious work to do on his marking and rucking for him to make it.


Not from a fitness point of view or basic skills, but your touch.

Remember Malcolm Blight's grand idea to not introduce footy's to training until January, St Kilda were shot the entire season because they were too far behind

No doubt Arch needs to work taking marks with one grab and his ruck work, but having no set position is hurting him like it has Whitnall.

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Have to agree with TBB, Molsey :wink:

A good pre-season is important for all players, but for some it is far more critical. Some players take a while to get back into the swing after early injuries. Kouta last year took a long time to work his way back into form, although when he did he was excellent. I remember his early attempts at kicking for goal were deplorable, and that had to be a lack of confidence. Fevola finds it hard to regain form when he has a few weeks off. Others like Jonathan Brown are able to hit the ground running, but they are in a minority.

But at least those big-name players have the benefit of knowing that they are proven AFL performers. It is harder for players who have not yet consolidated a place in the team. For Callum Chambers, Livo, and ADL, there would have to be nagging doubts about whether they are up to it, and this will make it more difficult for them to regain touch and confidence. Unfortunately, when the team loses confidence and self-belief as well, this is all the more difficult. For players who have not had much of a preseason, the likelihood is that they will make some bad decisions and skill errors early, which will start undermining their confidence. Moreso in ADL's case as he was thrown between ruck duties (when he really is primarily a forward), defence (and he doesn't have the innate defensive skills or powerful body to play in a key defensive post) and attack.

Sure, it would be preferable if ADL had cast-iron mental toughness like JB. But this could be said of a lot of other like Kouta who have not been able to immediately regain touch by sheer willpower.

There would have been a loss of fitness, both general and match fitness, as the result of the injury. The adage is that a player is at his fittest when the season starts, and then he tries to maintain that level as much as he can. ADL must have started with a lower level of fitness than he would have liked. And this won't necessarily be reflected in being benched or unable to run. He may have had enough aerobic fitness from running laps and the like to keep moving around the ground in a jog (although maybe if Pagan had more tall options he would have reduced his playing time accordingly). Despite being able to move around in a jog, it is likely that his lower anaerobic fitness level (given the drills he missed are built around intermittent bursts of activity) would have reduced his ability over the course of a game to explode into a sprint. This would have happened more quickly given the ruck role. And fatigue would lead to an increase in skill errors like dropped marks, poor decision-making and poor kicking (exacerbating the predisposition towards those errors created by a loss of confidence).

The other aspect is that players who have not enjoyed a full pre-season through injury tend to be more susceptible to injuries. And often these further injuries are caused by the player consciously or subconsciously protecting his original injury. So the good knee ends up causing trouble (which is one reason why trainers tape up the good knee to correct this tendency). Or in this case the good foot ends up being stressed. Perhaps ADL was restricted by the original injury, whether this was for medical or psychological reasons.

But all of this is just an attempt to describe the differing effects of a loss of a preseason. But do we need to be that technical? Surely those of us who have played sports know that a good preseason helps and without one we are always playing catch up. And surely those of us who have followed the AFL for a long time have seen players struggle to overcome an interrupted preseason time and time again.


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Mav, I would generally agree but I can't see loss of a PS as an excuse for ADL dropping marks. He did it last year, he did it this year - its a real problem and until ADL fixes it, no excuse should be available to him.

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Promote Setanta not Jesse Smith.

From the one VFL (tv) game that I've seen. Jesse Smith is a long way off AFL footy. Setanta isn't. And besides, we need the height. And further besides, Setanta would be a good chance of playing seniors next year (so any development we can get into him would be worthwhile).


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