I remember on black Friday the AFL saying that our draft penalties would not be seen eventually as the deeds of a vindictive and punitive AFL, but the fault of Elliot and his policies at the club in past years.

Is this a true view of CFC or is is an AFL fabrication designed to hide what many at the time thought were overly punitive penalties? Or does the truth lie somewhere in between?

now getting on to 3 years out from that day of judgement, are we more accepting of our punishment and the reasons for it or does the anger still burn?

Also, what will the footy historians say about our on field fortunes in the period after black Friday - were they made far worse by the penalties, worse than they really should have been or is there another explanation for our plight?

Is the fullness of time changing the way we think about where we are and why we are there?

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My Blue Heaven

No changes in feelings for this little black duck

The previous admin caused the problem...the AFL totally exploited the situation and exacerbated the problem by their vindictive approach.

Black!

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Haven't been many rumours of salsry cap rorting lately, though. While we may have been killed, the AFL has probably achieved what it set out to do, blatant cheating won't occur again, the risks outweigh the benefits...

I know its black, but how much blackness was caused by the AFL penalties and how much was caused by club polices leading up to 2002?

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My Blue Heaven

Amazing isnt it?
Darkest 4 years in the history of the club ( 120 odd years) and we dont want to ruffle any feathers or take short cuts....

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Demetrispew and Rotten Ron must die!!!!!!

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Would the same penalties have been imposed on Sydney/Brisbane/Fremantle etc? I doubt it. It was a weak act from an AFL administration that will go down as one of the worst the game has seem.

Will go down in AFL history as the most crushing penalty ever handed out to a club.


F*CK YOU DEMETRIPOO & ROTTEN RONNIE!!!

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When Dick became President, it was as if everyone at Carlton came out of the hailstorm and into the sunshine - Stephen Kernahan

YARRAN!!





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I'm over it.

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Twitter - @johnfeeney24

BOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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like all harsh decisions this was a political one - like all political ones the losers never get to have theior say - we know how draconian those bastard penalties were - I know my son will never be the same kind of supporter i was - and sadly the AFL are well pleased with their result.

hate them with a passion that will burn for as long as my heart beats. They screwed us for their own agenda and we have to endure it. When we win that 17th they'll take credit for it but I'll know, always, those bastards want us dead so that 17th will be the biggest whack of their heads we can give them!

At least once a fornight I write an article about those penalties but i never send it to the club - why bother? Its a waste of time.

Shit I hate the AFL heirarchy!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

This era........

will be seen as being........not as
successful as the other eras.........!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

For mine, it ain't over. It still goes on - No, sorry you can't play at the MCG, despite them offering us exactly what we wanted with the preliminary finals - but thanks for the idea, we'll suggest collingwood offer it up- might even give them a stand for it. No sorry, we'll make any money we give for developing PP conditional upon other clubs sharing your traditional home ground, and then encourage them to find their own separate training venues. Now then, we'll take away the priority pick this year....oh all right, we'll wait and see ...oh you are bad aren't you, ok, now maybe you've learnt your lesson.

smug bastards.

I'm beginning to agree with Synbad, let's rort the @#$%&! thing for everything we can.

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"Two roads diverged in a wood,
and I,
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference."

Robert Frost

perfectly worded.

The fine and the draft penalties were too heavy handed. The fine on its own should have been sufficient penalty.

Que sera sera I say. We'll wear it, ride out a few bad years then return to our natural habitat - the top four. Any other club would have died, but we'll become a stronger outfit. Why? Because we're Carlton!

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

How can you answer it in one word.

There are so many factors with this decision.

1. We had an administrator who dictated not only success, but couldn't change with the times, and no matter what was his way or the highway.

2. You had something simmering between the club and AFL for many years, and we gave them one good chance and they were going too nail us when they could.

3. The AFL saw our sins, saw our change of administration and could have taken our first pick one year, and then 2nd round picks for the next 2 or 3 seasons. But being arrogant pricks - refer back too point 2.

4. The whole result gave everyone involved at Carlton a stealy resolve, the we are better than everyone arrogance needed to be brought from the football field too behind the scenes.

- our membership has gone up
- our move too Telstra / MCG has occured
- we finally felt the heartache of a wooden spoon
- we appreciated the importance of being diligent in our drafting

We will and MUST be better for this now. 5 years of hardship now is much easier than years and years of hardship other supporters have had too have.

We must move forward, draft and recruit well, and win that flag soon.

And then stick it right up the AFL - pricks..

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Supporting the Blues No Matter What

I've mentioned this before this era of the Carlton football club in future years will be remembered for the Three big Elliott Mistakes and the debate will rage over which one was the worse crime.
1. Building the stand and not moving to the Dome or MCG and nearly sending ther club broke
2. Under handed payments to players and the fine and the draft penalties that followed.
3. Sacking Wayne Brittain and hiring of Denis Pagan -who coached the side to its worst results in the clubs history

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Can we have a special sign under Brittain supporters so I dont choke on my coffee when I read their posts?? : )

I think Sydney Blue, with the list we had, any coach would have struggled. I could concede that Brittain was in teh wrong place, at the wrong time, but I don't think any history book at all will ever list sacking Brittain as a mistake.

It's not the sacking of Brittain that will be remembered its the signing of Pagan. Of all the choices there was at the time we choose him

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
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How will this era at Carlton be seen in history?

Well IMO it has changed the culture of the club and turned if from being a successfully confident/arrogant, primarily self-governed club into a run of the mill AFL "franchise" club which does what its told.
We are now not what we once were.
The AFL commission have been successfull in their aim to "equalize" the so called competition. In their minds we had to be dragged back. Black Friday penalties were a nicely timed tool the AFL used to complete their objective.