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 Post subject: Re: Blues Need Talent!
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:04 pm 
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Tonight I left 3/4 time and finally accepted we are not good enough...


I hope you kept walking, right out the arena, handed in your membership and just kept walking.

See we don't need fairweather supporters, its going to be a tough time. We need to stick together, support the players whetehr they're good enough or not. They put in everything they had last night, gave it their all.

They're not good enough....so you give up on them? Just want to see them when they win?


Firstly i've been a member since 1996...and my brother who I go to the games with has been a member since 1985...I've watched every game in Melbourne in 2002,2003,2004..This is the first game I walked out on at 3/4 time...apart from the St.Kilda game in 2003 when we were 100 points down...You have no right to suggest that i'm not a true supporter...It's just that this year i've really believed like most supporters...that we've taken the next step and we came out of the nightmare of 2002 & 2003...I left because it hurt not becuase I didnt care about the team...simple as that...think what you want....but I still love the team...and I will continue to re-new my membership..next year...the year after that..and the next 30 years...


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besides i'm the best supporter 8)

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besides i'm the best supporter 8)


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Paganbro, there is no dishonour in walking out at 3/4 time ... you pay your money and are entitled to walk out whenever you see fit. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else because they stay to the end is deluded.


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 Post subject: Re: Blues Need Talent!
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:28 pm 
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Paganbro wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Paganbro wrote:
Tonight I left 3/4 time and finally accepted we are not good enough...


I hope you kept walking, right out the arena, handed in your membership and just kept walking.

See we don't need fairweather supporters, its going to be a tough time. We need to stick together, support the players whetehr they're good enough or not. They put in everything they had last night, gave it their all.

They're not good enough....so you give up on them? Just want to see them when they win?


Firstly i've been a member since 1996...and my brother who I go to the games with has been a member since 1985...I've watched every game in Melbourne in 2002,2003,2004..This is the first game I walked out on at 3/4 time...apart from the St.Kilda game in 2003 when we were 100 points down...You have no right to suggest that i'm not a true supporter...It's just that this year i've really believed like most supporters...that we've taken the next step and we came out of the nightmare of 2002 & 2003...I left because it hurt not becuase I didnt care about the team...simple as that...think what you want....but I still love the team...and I will continue to re-new my membership..next year...the year after that..and the next 30 years...


Firstly, so you've been a member since u were 5 - its quite possible that it wasnt a concious decision of yours to join the blues as opposed to being brainwashed by family and having your membership purchased and taken to games etc. Secondly, irrespective of the length of your club membership, the behaviour which you displayed, as described by yourself and truebluebird (if he was describing you and your bro) is an absolute disgrace. I'm glad it makes you feel better to hurl abuse at other people because your footy team is having a bad night. Hate to break it to you, but that it was sufficient to have the cops concerned and that your proud of it doesnt say too much about you as a person.


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We need to dump as many C Grade players as possible, and replace them with as much young draft talent as possible, hopefully including the no.1 and no.2 draft picks. The emphasis needs to be on midfielders and a defender. If we're really lucky we'll get a gun in the PSD, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:44 pm 
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For those interested in a great tribute to Craig Bradley check out the following link:

http://ftp.newave.net.au/~spcardwd/bradley.htm

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There is little doubt that Bradley will be remembered as one of the all-time greats of the game. It could also be said that Bradley was a key figure in many of the more recent changes that are an integral part of the game's recent evolution. Bradley was one of the first full-time professional players, and his influence on the development of "the running game" is undeniable.

Bradley was an awesome athlete. Gifted in many sports including tennis and cricket. He represented Australia in Under 19 cricket, and he played Sheffield Shield (Pura Cup) cricket for both South Australia and Victoria. In football he was blessed with tremendous speed and aerobic running ability. Couple these qualities with an exceptional skill level and an uncanny ability to read the play, and you have all the ingredients of a true champion. Early in his career, he was sometimes criticized by opposition players and supporters as a "receiver," Bradley's incredible impact on the outcome of games and his longevity in the sport have long since dispelled these criticisms. Few players have displayed better hand to foot control of the ball. Bradley's ability to carry the ball and either kick long to position or short to a player with delicate precision has become his trademark.

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Career Achievements

Pre-Season Premiership in 1997 (Captain and Michael Tuck Medallist)

Carlton Captain: 1998-2001

Carlton Vice-Captain: 1990-1997

Won Carlton Best and Fairest 3 times, 1986, 1988 and 1993

Four times Runner-up Best and Fairest at Carlton

Played in two Carlton Premiership teams, 1987 and 1995

Official Legend of the Carlton Football Club

Member of the Carlton Hall of Fame

Member of the Carlton Team of the 20th Century

Life Member of the Carlton Football Club

Life Member of the AFL

Played a total of 492 senior games (Record)

All Australian: 1983, 1986, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997

Represented South Australia 19 times (15 State of Origin)

Fos Williams Medalist: 1986, 1991, 1993

International Rules Series: 1984, 2000, 2001 (Captain), 2002

Won the Port Adelaide Best and Fairest on 3 occasions

Member of Port Adelaide Team of the 20th Century

Comparing Ryan Houlihan to Craig Bradley is a joke. I doubt that Houlihan's career achievements will ever match up to this. Give me a couple of Craig Bradleys and I will give you a very good side. Although I still wouldn't delist Houlihan just yet... he is servicable. :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:55 pm 
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malleefowl wrote:
Comparing Ryan Houlihan to Craig Bradley is a joke. I doubt that Houlihan's career achievements will ever match up to this. Give me a couple of Craig Bradleys and I will give you a very good side. Although I still wouldn't delist Houlihan just yet... he is servicable. :wink:


Next time someone is making a point you hopefully might not miss it so badly.


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people have the right to leave whenever they want. he's a member, he's paid his money, so he can do what he likes. These days I prefer to attend "social engagements" than go to the footy, and I'm a social gold member. If its on the teev I tape it. I just want the season to end, and I paid my money to see the team stay afloat... which is happening.

Paganbro is alright.. leave the kid alone. It was probably past his bedtime anyway!

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 Post subject: Re: Blues Need Talent!
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:24 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Paganbro wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Paganbro wrote:
Tonight I left 3/4 time and finally accepted we are not good enough...


I hope you kept walking, right out the arena, handed in your membership and just kept walking.

See we don't need fairweather supporters, its going to be a tough time. We need to stick together, support the players whetehr they're good enough or not. They put in everything they had last night, gave it their all.

They're not good enough....so you give up on them? Just want to see them when they win?


Firstly i've been a member since 1996...and my brother who I go to the games with has been a member since 1985...I've watched every game in Melbourne in 2002,2003,2004..This is the first game I walked out on at 3/4 time...apart from the St.Kilda game in 2003 when we were 100 points down...You have no right to suggest that i'm not a true supporter...It's just that this year i've really believed like most supporters...that we've taken the next step and we came out of the nightmare of 2002 & 2003...I left because it hurt not becuase I didnt care about the team...simple as that...think what you want....but I still love the team...and I will continue to re-new my membership..next year...the year after that..and the next 30 years...


Firstly, so you've been a member since u were 5 - its quite possible that it wasnt a concious decision of yours to join the blues as opposed to being brainwashed by family and having your membership purchased and taken to games etc. Secondly, irrespective of the length of your club membership, the behaviour which you displayed, as described by yourself and truebluebird (if he was describing you and your bro) is an absolute disgrace. I'm glad it makes you feel better to hurl abuse at other people because your footy team is having a bad night. Hate to break it to you, but that it was sufficient to have the cops concerned and that your proud of it doesnt say too much about you as a person.


If opposition supporters have the arrogance and the right to abuse my team and abuse me aswell...then I have the civil right to respond as I see fit..Secondly incase you didnt notice it wasn't a bad night...it's been a bad four years...and as for your comment about me been brainswashed to been a Carlton member..maybe do some study in social theory or anthropology so you can understand that 70% of kids barrack for the team that family members tend to follow and I have no problem with supporting Carlton...just hurts simple as that (no smart-arse responses necessary)...P.S my older brother was not abusing the other supporter only I was...but understanding the nature of the game and because he believes in freedom of expression...he had no problems with me saying what I said...as I think he was annoyed with the arrogance of the Brisbane supporter...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:26 pm 
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*Sigh* the impetuousness of youth.

Might I suggest that by hurling abuse back you are lowering yourself to their level.

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Wojee wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
Comparing Ryan Houlihan to Craig Bradley is a joke. I doubt that Houlihan's career achievements will ever match up to this. Give me a couple of Craig Bradleys and I will give you a very good side. Although I still wouldn't delist Houlihan just yet... he is servicable. :wink:

Next time someone is making a point you hopefully might not miss it so badly.

Lost for a comeback hey Wojee?

If I have missed the point you are trying to make then I am not the only one:

JacksBoy wrote:
Comparing Houlihan to Bradley and saying he's had less clangers is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Bradley was an out and out champion who could play in the center as well do the Houlihan act of running into space when it's safe. Bradley like Diesel always ran as hard as fast as he could and this is one thing you can't say about Houlihan.Houlihan committed shocking errors for a player with supposedly brilliant skills. And he is one player that should be offered for trade before Lance and it was good enough for the Cats to offload Moloney.

See Wojee your point that Houlihan is no softer than Craig Bradley which I repeat here:

Wojee wrote:
I find it strange that in a "Blues need talent" thread people are calling for Houlihan's head. Talent is one thing that Houlihan does have stacks of. Sure he's not the hardest bloke going around, but he's no softer than a certain Craig Bradley that ran around in a Carlton jumper for years.

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Thanks Blues2005, finally someone who understands the point I'm trying to make.
Bradley was a better player than Houlihan, but was just as soft, and like Houla he didn't hit 100% of his passes. If Houlihan made his errors in the forward half instead of deep in defence I think the criticism of his disposal would be somewhat tempered.

is dispelled in the following which I again highlight:

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Bradley was an awesome athlete... In football he was blessed with tremendous speed and aerobic running ability. Couple these qualities with an exceptional skill level and an uncanny ability to read the play, and you have all the ingredients of a true champion. Early in his career, he was sometimes criticized by opposition players and supporters as a "receiver," Bradley's incredible impact on the outcome of games and his longevity in the sport have long since dispelled these criticisms. Few players have displayed better hand to foot control of the ball. Bradley's ability to carry the ball and either kick long to position or short to a player with delicate precision has become his trademark.

This independent tribute says that Bradley's longevity in the sport has dispelled the criticism that he was just a "receiver". In fact it says that few players have displayed better hand to foot control of the ball. Quite simply Bradley was able to impact games that Houlihan could only dream of. So whether he was soft, somewhat soft or not soft it didn't really matter. 8)


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people have the right to leave whenever they want. he's a member, he's paid his money, so he can do what he likes.


Yeah he can, but I wont respect him like those who stay till the end (and not just to hurl abuse at them when they come off)


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oh stop bluddy arguing about everything you stupid hats


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Paganbro, there is no dishonour in walking out at 3/4 time ... you pay your money and are entitled to walk out whenever you see fit. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else because they stay to the end is deluded.


If you are a fan, you leave when you want.
If you are a supporter, you leave when the game is over.

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Pat's Fitztrick wrote:
dongatwitch wrote:
Paganbro, there is no dishonour in walking out at 3/4 time ... you pay your money and are entitled to walk out whenever you see fit. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else because they stay to the end is deluded.


If you are a fan, you leave when you want.
If you are a supporter, you leave when the game is over.


I presume the city side wing, which was nearly empty by the end of the game is not where supporters sit!

Bradley didn't start playing AFL football until he was about the same age Houla is now. A bit early to make comparisans. Also played in a much better team.


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