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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:39 pm 
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For those concerned about Nick Stevens game have a look at the picture in the Herald-Sun highlighting Kouta getting pushed into the umpire.
You see Selwood blocking Puss, (in the top corner) pretty tough if you have that someone do that to you all night.
Also really shits me that Whits get done for shepherding in marking contests when crap like that happens, Selwood is not even facing the ball.
Also shits what a fine even if questionable legal stopping job Selwood did.

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I thought this was going to be about cocaine and prostitutes :shock:


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thats fine, but have alook at how many clangers he had? the last few weeks he has been very ordinary for us.


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If you got a close checking tagger you have to run hard all night and work at the stoppages to lose him. Thats wwhat stevens failed to do

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At the stoppages, someone should've put a block on Selwood as soon as the ball is bounced.


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Ag6471 wrote:
thats fine, but have alook at how many clangers he had? the last few weeks he has been very ordinary for us.


What's happened I think is that instead of having Stevens go head to head with an opponent sides have tagged him. First Luke Ablett and then Troy Selwood have done the job on him although Selwood was probably more defensive than most tags Stevens would have had to endure.

Earlier in the year Stevens was going head to head with an opponent so was getting stacks of the footy but so was his opponent. For example against Collingwood Stevo got close to 30 touches but Licuria had well over 30. Same thing happened against Richmond when he was on Coughlan.

I don't see why opposition teams don't just tag him every week. If you take Nick Stevens out of the game as an influence Carlton is going to struggle. You'd expect another hard tag on Stevens again this week from the Doggies and Nick has to learn to deal with them.

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I think people are asking too much of him to change his game just because we have no other midfielder not destined for VFL football, look at Notting for the lions, forget Power, Black, Aker, Voss and he steps up not to mention Nigel Lappin has another week to get right.
Tough gig being Stevo at the moment. No other Carlton player bumped or put physical pressure on the Selwood kid, why not? -Probably scared of the rest of the Lions like I would be.
that said :surely players must face the contest, I don't understand how this type of thing is missed by the umpires all seven of them.
The Lions gave every error from one of our guys a verbal spray, and loved Aker following Campo to the bench abusing him. Even the Walker incident no support.
To state the bleeding obvious we seriously lack physical leadership.

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Yep we do face leadership ... we have very a unbalanced list and we lack the Natural A - B grade players that are in every team but ours.

As for Stevens i dont think he is travelling as bad as people think .. consider he is tagged every week as no other player really requires a tag in our side .. For Campo they will just have someone to annoy him and he is useless for the rest of the game..

So stevens gets Tagged every week.. dosnt get much assistance from other players ...Prob carrying a injury and still is the highest posession gatherer in the side / 18th highest possesion gatherer in AFL ... Leading clearance player in the AFL with 39 .. ahead of Sam MItchell (Mr Clearance ) and Kouta.

SO he played a below standard game and had someone who was told just block Stevens at every oppertunity no matter what. As people have stated why didnt we have a block on for him in the stoppages to help Stevo out.

Stevo Tagged all Nite Stats 13 Possesions / 3 Clangers (Poor Nite by his standards)

Campo - No Tag Stats 15 Possesions / 7 Clangers who played worse.

And if people start to compare between Stevo vs Campo as a soft outside player get the facts he is the leading clearance player in the AFL not the leading receiving player. I think a player who is leadiong in Clearances has to get the ball not receive it


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Actually Wolfe Camporeale was tagged for a significant portion of the match by Robert Copeland..

The fact is that both had dirty nights but if we rate Stevens higher than we do Camporeale, you'd have to conclude that Campo was marginally "better" on the night.

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Yep i not protecting Stevo on the last match he had a poor match but i would say both had poor matches i am just thinking that Stevo has been important to the blues for this season and being the main clearance player in the Blues / AFL shows he still doin a lot even if his season is below par to his previous season


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:04 pm 
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...Also really shits me that Whits get done for shepherding in marking contests when crap like that happens, Selwood is not even facing the ball...


Exactly. :evil:

The sooner Gieschen comes out and admits that umpires adjudicate on different players differently, and different circumstances differently depending on the context of the game, the better. We all acknowledge that umpires are human and @#$%&! up from time to time, why hide the fact? Acknowledge it and get on with putting measures in place to ensure these incidents happen as infrequently as possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:22 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
Stevo Tagged all Nite Stats 13 Possesions / 3 Clangers (Poor Nite by his standards)

Campo - No Tag Stats 15 Possesions / 7 Clangers who played worse.

And if people start to compare between Stevo vs Campo as a soft outside player get the facts he is the leading clearance player in the AFL not the leading receiving player. I think a player who is leadiong in Clearances has to get the ball not receive it


Lets look at that night

Stevo tagged by a 21yr old with 9 games?

13 Possessions - 3 from free kicks 2 should have went against him not to him and 3 more possesions were from 3 play on calls from kick outs so to me thats 8 disposals which is so much better then Campo.
What was the most interesting is that Selwood stood on the mark when Stevens kicked out meaning he couldn't run on and get his cheap handball receives.
As for all those nasty tags that Stevens gets here's some of his opponents for the year

Peter Bell
Shane Crawford
Mark Coughlan
Simon Goodwin
Luke Ablett
Troy Selwood

all big nasty taggers how does Stevens cope?

As for no tag on Campo for the first half I thought I saw Brisbane's best tagger in Copeland on him?

As I've said before Stevens = Campo.


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Maybe Stevens has his eyes on the draft

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