Is there any reason why these two articles were published simultaneously in the Hun today?

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

It is IMPERATIVE that we finish below Hawthorn and hope that they finish 3rd last or better because of the PSD. However, I'm worried that Hawthorn will finish 2nd last and ask Whitnall to walk for free. I don't see other teams wanting him. With $1 million to spend, Whits might get 300K at Hawthorn rather than the 200K he'd probably be offered at Carlton, that is if he stayed at Carlton.

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And here I was thinking he was shit and you didn't want him anyway. Make up your mind CC.

Surrey you misread CC he does think Whitnal is shit but he wants to get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him as a trade

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If the Hawks are that desperate and there are no other options then you'd go Lance wouldn't you?

Lance is sh*t if the ball is not kicked to him at half-distance pass. He needs the ball speared in, he can be very good if he can get it. Pity that no-one at Carlton can give him a half-distance pass either because they don't carry the ball deep enough through midfield so that they kick to a Whitnall lead or they just blindly bomb it *CONTRARY to instructions*.

With the Hawks midfield like it is, Whitnall would do well.

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Shit players do not go for 1st round picks.

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L.M 35-06

And where did I say he would go for a 1st round pick?

I've said we'd like to get a 1st round pick for him, whether he fetches that, is up to Lance's form, body and attitude. Personally a 2nd round pick up to about 30 would do me fine.

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We deserve "two" first picks for Whitnall then.

I think you have brought up a good point CC. Whit may not be waht the Hawks want, but he may be the best available and they may get him for nothing, which is a worry. I think Whit has a lot of talent in the right team with a gameplan that suits. He's not a mobile high leaping CHF as we know (but not many are). I think the Hawks should understand that we are going to be down a bit longer than them and what goes around comes around. We're a fair chance to go back to back spoons. If they take one of ours for nothing they better have every one else very tightly held! The other scenario is the bombers coming 15th. Suit Sheeds ego to take a struggling Blue and try to get something out of him. And Whit, in a forward line with Lloyd and Lucas might go okay.

You have a point.

Although I put them into the "What da hell were you thinkin'' catergory.

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L.M 35-06

Whitnall into the PSD and we get nothing would be a distinct possibility with Hawthorn picking him up....
He wont be staying for 200K, hopefully Essendon* and a few other clubs can create a market for him and we get something in return...

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http://www.hawkheadquarters.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15685
http://www.hawkheadquarters.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15730
Interesting reading on HHQ about what they'd other for Whitnall and other key forwards.They seem to be hoping Lance will go into the PSD and they'll get him for nicks if we finish last.Otherwise they want to offer a second round pick or Nick Ries or some other hack.

Darren Jolly.

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I wouldn't mind Ries, he could play in-and-under but we'd want a pick as well with Ries as extra change.

This scenario worries me and if he walks, I'm sure we'll all be filthy. There needs to be interest from other clubs in order to create a market where clubs will offer a pick.

If there's no market, he goes into the PSD. And there is no way we can stop that.

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I don't really want to see him go. I think he has been great for us over the past few weeks - even earlier actually because he had to go to CHB when we were deficiant in that area and he did quite well.

We always stuff up trades or have nil-all draws. I am sick of that. If we pick up a good kid in the draft who is able to play CHF in a year or two surely it would be worth keeping Whits to help him learn the game. We could even stick Whits in the pocket in his later years as a foil for Fev.

If we have to pay Whits a bit extra than we want to then let's do it. We certainly won't have to pay what we have in the past. I just don't want him going for nothing. So don't let him go... unless it is going to give us another top 3 draft pick.

I luv Lance, Fev can be outstanding, but Lance would never drop his head and mope around the forward line, and complain about the delivery (even if it is bad), hes is more of a general in the forward line and back line when he is there, when our team gets better, Lance will be King.

Come on CC you cant have a bet each way you either want him or you dont. If the club fails to make him an offer and he walks for nothing they get what they deserve then. IMO if he has three of four more games like the last two he will stay. Lance would be not far off the veterans list and Kouta is not far off retiring with noone else other than Campo being eligable . Lance will be good value then

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http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_player_games?pid=270

These are Ries's stats for this year and hopefully with Hurn on the list as well as Blackwell, Bentick and Smith.We'd have no need to trade a KP player who can kick 4 goals at his best for an in and under midfielder with average disposal.

Whats more, I don't see Lance as the type (even the Saints did a deal) who'd walk into the draft without getting adequate compensation for the club.And even if the Hawks are after him, they'll have to come up with something better than Ries.

We dont want any shelf fill rubbish from Hawthorn.....no to Ries..draft picks only...if they get rid of Hay to WC or Freo maybe whateva is coming back across the border in return but not Lance for some hack like Ries...he cant command a spot in the second bottom team so no thanks...
Sorry Clem I dont rate Ries at all....I would rather Lance in the PSD than pick up any more rubbish...

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Lance is 4 or 5 years off the vets list Sydney. 2009 would be the earliest.

What's your point? I'm stating scenarios and I'm allowed a bob each way because at the moment he's at the crossroads. If he's not offered a contract by the club, then he can walk BUT OBVIOUSLY this is NOT the best scenario for the club.

Where have I stated an opinion re: Whitnall staying or going in this thread? I've just listed his options and at the moment, they don't look too good for the CFC if he's not wanted.

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