Kermit those dates gave you a months notice... you had plenty of time..

You just didnt give a @#$%&! about going... did you call the CEO and ask to make a time???Im sure he would have obliged.
Were you at the AGM raising your concerns...

Youre the busiest guy i know Kermit...

And yes Geelong are right to play at the Dome half of their games right???With the other half at a modern stadium not paid by them???

Well guess what???Thats what were doing too....



Youre just pissed off you cant use your MCC membership.


PS Kermit.. how much of a profit did Geelong make exactly last year???
What is their membership figure for this year???
I noticed you were asking how come there isnt a tracking graph comparing our membership this year with last year and insinuating its cos we were down... we wernt down we were up!!!!... so i guess the 'weak' boards decision has been vindicated .. No???


And weak because they didnt stand up to the AFL and force their way into playing 11 games at the G.

I encouraged you to talk to Goughey...You know what Gough said after he gave uis the offer???"Good luck trying to get it through!!!"

That was strength from a venue that wanted the extra tenency lease monies eh????

No.!!!!Lets not believe Synbads version of things.. we will believe KERMIT!!!

Did you ask any questions at the AGM KERMIT?????
Why did you call or make contact with the club???

Yeah thats right.. too busy!!!!

The only thing going against that argument would have been you spent as much time on line during that time as i did... so i guess you were all tied up then and you were all tied up after that and you were all tied up AGM time.. etc...

So much to do.. so little time eh???

Nice......

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Exactly as I thought from the very start. The master of directing the arguement the way he likes to.

And you were at all these meeting' Synbad? You were there and heard what was said? I doudt it.

The way you insinuate that I and others are somehow not as good a supporter as you is really sad and pathetic and really shows your own insecurities out. Just remeber that no matter how good you think you are there is always someone better.

This thread is about the ground redevopment but it has degenerated into an attack on anyone who opposes the club.

Your thuggery doesn't work on me. Your predicability is totally unimganative. The same old MCC Membership chestnut comes out all the time. Wouldn't expect anything less from you really.

Don't worry there will be an AGM soon and Prez, Kermit & co will be putting a ticket together challenging the board.

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Mate we have had this conversation on the phone....and in person....

You DID NOT call the CEO.. you DID NOT go to the meeting and you DID NOT address any concerns at the AGM.




which means you dont care enough about the issue where you feel like you want to meake a REAL difference...



As a matter of fact KERMIT.. i KNOW you dont have a problem with us leaving OPTUS.. cos you TOLD ME SO YOURSELF!!!!.. you just wanted us at the MCG... (cos you have an MCC membersip..)

Your beef with the club is that in your OPINION it didnt fight hard because in your OPINION Collo wanted us at the Dome all along and the whole thing was orchestrated...
Youve been waiting for a chance to kick Collo in the nuts for not allowing you to enjoy your MCC MEMBERSHIP...and the nothing report about nothing was your chance to pounce!!!

So how am i misleading things???

You cant even come out and say it as it is!!! .. mate at least dont beat around the bush with your motives... its pathetic!!!

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Surrey will be on too....

These blokes think they can handle the job at hand... theyre not going to be pushovers... they will sign directors guarantees.
Theyre smarter than blokes like Smorgon and Mathieson who run billion dollar turnover businesses... oh yeah baby!!!!....

.......Weve found our saviours now!!!

I cant wait for that first AFL Presidents meeting.. Demetriou will be shitting himself.. Carlton have finally found their A team to go in there and kick heads... oh were back!!! were on our way back!!

Things look sorted off the field ............all under control!!!

Were bringing out the headkickers!!!

Watch out!!!!

KERMIT.. PREZ... Surrey???? The answer is easy if you really think you can do0 a better job .... run for a spot on the board!!!

thats initiative...!!!!

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your an idiot synbad

when ever anyone chooses to disagree with you you always have to resort to childish name calling. I get it, Surrey gets its, Mark gets, Kermit gets it.

There are a few that dont resort to childish shit on this site and you arent one of them.

But being on the board wouldnt be the hardest job ever goining around. IMO you over complicate things and get awed by numbers. There is no difference in running a company that manages $2000 a year compared to a company that manages $2 billion a year. Its all about numbers and if you forget the zeros there is no difference. good management is good management.

But why would i want to join the board anyway, then i would have to listen to blokes like you all the time.

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ahem....

MrsC...suggest you look at ALL posters comments.

Its not the name calling Surrey.
It's the irony.

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Thank you BV.

Jar, is that a gun in his pocket?

You cannot be serious???? You forget the zeroes and there is no difference?????

Better be careful because the CPA's will charge you a $100,000 consultancy fee for looking over the books of your Lemonade Stall.

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So you can learn something....

I didnt name call you.... i just said you should run for president PREZ!!!!

Cos you are very insightful... especially when you quote figures like 14k as a "break even point" but dont tell us how you got to that figure.

Youre happy to stay at Optus with all its old stands that are falling over... the shithouse corporate facilities, lack of toilets.22,000 a week crowds, no night game free to air TV exposure...

I think you dont care about the club thats what i think.

If you can honestly sit there and tell us why you think this club should be playing in front of a crowd of about 24,000 per week in its home games.. get no free to air tv at prime time... have a ground that has stands that need special exemption to pass health dept standards for certain crowd capacities.... need another 20 million minimum (just in stands)in redevelopment(Gardiner and Healtley stands) have no training facilities and a debt thats an albatross around its neck...and you think im going to consider you BRAIN SURGEON material you have another thing coming...

youve been going on an on about foolishness for a year now.. The board has led you to the new century by the nose and you still dont get it.!!

Is the board perfect???

No!!!!

It just does the BEST it CAN about a very difficult situation....

If you want it to be perfect... first consider yourself... are you perfect???
Is your life perfection free of obstacles and hurdles???

Of course it may not have been Carlton UTOPIA.. with us playing at the G...but then we never had a chance to be transplanted to the G for every home game....

And no we couldnt stay at Optus either... unless you were going to pay to have the place redeveloped completely.

So for those of you who bitch and moan about what the board is doing..... WAKE UP!!!!!!!.. your lucky it had the balls to shift us and we didnt spend the next 10 years playing at a ground thats falling and dying around our ankles in front of massive crowds of 22,000 to 24,000 a week!!!!!


I suppose those massive crowds are going to turn this ship around are they???

Ive often said.. EVEN IF WE MADE $500k a year profit but only had one person inside the gates who paid the club 20.5 million a year out of his own pocket (20 mill to run a football club and going up)... were sticll fuc.ked!!!!.... cos the supporter base is diminishing PREZ.... what we do need is getting as many families to the football each week.. to make watching Carlton a lifestyle... something kids can grow up doing for a lifetime... So if were averaging 40k supporters and not 22/24k ... dont you think were better off long term????



Are you sensitive PREZ?????

Good!!!!

You might wake up to yourself!!!!

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i care about the club synbad and it shits me no end that that is your standard response for anyone that dares suggest something different to your very own opinion. and that is all it is, an opinion, you have one and i have one. Dont see how you think you feel for the club anymore or any less than i do. I dont spend every waking moment i can hanging around the club, would love to if i had the time, but i dont, but to question how much i care for the club is ridiculous, but is just about the normal set of responses for you.

but i find it interesting that the move is now our about the extra supporters and the better we will be in the future for it, not about the help that the afl was supposed to give us if we moved and that we wouldnt get if we stayed at OO, not the extra friday night games we where to get. Its all about getting extra people to the games.

I will hold my judgement on how successful the move has been when we get 40000 to see us play Freo at the MCG, surely, seeing as we are playing at the MCG everyone is so prepared to come along and attended that the club could even expect to get 50000 there.

Alot of people here have claimed the move a success and i just cant see it yet. Call me stupid if you will, but every game we have so far played at that has had a 40k plus attendance at the TD is a fixture we played last year and had a 40k plus attendance.

The only game so far that has been an improvment over last year is the Lions game which we played at TD - i think our attendance there was 37k which is certainly alot higher than what we would have got if we had of played at OO, put one tree doesnt make a forest. When we played Sydney we only got about 30k so if the rumours are true, and everyone i know suggests that they are, that a 30k mark is break even, where as the 20K we would have got at OO would have seen us gather a profit. But i forget its all about attendance.

I got an idea, that will follow your logic of thinking, lets charge $1 for admission have 100,000 members attend every game, we would lose money over fist, but we would have 100,000 members and that is all that counts. Its as ridiculous statement as some of the ones you have suggested.

However, how much money would the club make from getting 37k at TD as compared to 20K at OO. You seem to know alot of figures Synbad so talk to your buddies inform us all.

The move had to happened - no doubt in that one second.

However, every single thing that was dangled infront of us has just about been withdrawn, and we are now hearing that what we where told was not possible is now able to be done, so excuse me if i criticise the board, i wasnt happy when it happened and im every shittier at the lack of response by our club.

If the AFL permits Collingwood to play extra games at the MCG in a deal that sounds very similair to what i hope our board put to the AFL as that would have by far been the preferred option for everyone i know, and our club doesnt arc up about it - then the board isnt doing its job IMO.

You may think its all about getting extra members - but being taken for a row of shithouses is not what the CFC is about and i flower hate it that our very own board appears to take what ever it can get as to not up set the apple cart.

The minute you accept anything but the best is the minute you are not part of the Carlton Football Club that i would like to be a part of.

This is just a bubbling issue for me, i have seen the decline in our club over the last few years, and it hasnt all been the AFL fault, and the previous board has alot to explain as well, but we are three years down the track now, and the board, while doing an okay job in some aspects is doing very poorly in other aspects IMO.

So excuse me if i dont accept that we dont have any bargaining power, or what else can we do, we cant fight the big bad AFL - crap, its all crap, its an excuse, a cop out for taking the easy road.

But think what you will, you know best, you support the club more than i do, you live and breathe carlton and i am but a meer mortal the should kneel before our board and you and accept everything they do as the gospel.

You harp on about whitnall and campo and even kouta earning massive money for not performing in your opinion, so why is that someone else cant complain about the performce of our board, without reading the childish tones that always resonate in your posts.

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27 000 is break even at the dome and we got 33 000 I think to the swans game.

Careful Prez Synbad might just accuse you of being an MCC member if you keep that logical thought process up! It must be akin to penis envy Synbad - MCC envy and you have it.

Thank God they dont let Greeks into the MCC!

is this shit really necessary??

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