I disagree watch my movies they all wanted to cut me down watch the Rambo set and go on field for the battle.

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When the president comes out and calls 'em a pack of c-graders can you blame 'em for dropping their bundle PJ? As a club we've [REDACTED] up everything possible this year.... bring on 2006, I've had gutful of 2005.

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does anyone remember what brisbane banned johnothan brown of doing before the game??? listening to ac/dc and watching rocky....

rocky is an inspiring movie that obviously got him going....i see your point phoenix...they should have won...but what im saying is...denis would have been close to erupting at 3qt because of how pathetic they were....then they came out and drew it down to 17 points...im not saying i accept the loss...im saying that in 30 years time the one thing i will remember is a spirited fighback in a dominant final term...

also i like the point you made deano... our president has made them feel like crap...its like your parents having a convo in front of you about putting you up for adoption....but a bonding trip followed by a video about the club would have to get them thinking - thinking about playing seriously and not disgracing the club....and fr the new recruits it should show them how this great club works and why they should try for every minute they are out there...if that doesnt do it for them they must be heartless bastards who suffer from internal un-happiness....

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That's an interesting point somebody made about nobody congratulating Bryan on his first AFL goal. That's the occassion when a leader should stand up. When nobody else gives a damn, the Captain or Vice Captain should run in and congratulate the youngster, and rally the troops. Didn't see any of that.

Speaking of poor leadership, did anyone see the bit when (I think) Kouta was on a lead next to the boundary, and he thought the ball was headed over the line so he basically took his eyes off it and went into casual-mode, but of course the ball didn't go out and the opposition had free run at it. Did anyone see that? That summed up our night (year).

Yep, saw that. It was very bad, just assumed the ball would go out, made him look like an idiot.

If Camporeale had done it there would be 6 different threads on it right now.

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All I'll remember, and what the history books will show, is that we embarrassed ourselves by not winning the last ever game at Optus Oval. Disgraceful!

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and that has been the most dissappointing aspect for me. The Matty Lappin kick out (only McGrath went over and gave him a "dont worry about it", the Bryan First goal, Carrots missed shot (only fev went to him) showed that we have no leadership at all.

And it was hightlighted several times when we played Brisbane as well.

Several times different players, black, powell come to mind insisted and made sure other players went over to "gee-up" one of their own for doing something right. Didnt see it once for us.

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Isn't it obvious that the "don't give a rat's tossbag" attitude is spreading like a cancer through the playing list?

And where did it emanate from?

Anyone like to have a stab in the dark?

Who's setting that tone, and getting paid the most in the process?

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Our senior players dont set the tone.. theyre looking for someone to set it for them....

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The playing group is in disarray and split in two if not three. The buck stops with Pagan, sorry but he is in charge.

No argument t6hat he is in charge and he will deal with it come the end of the season....

Starting with Lance...

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Can't blame just one player here Synbad, but if it makes you feel better, you go for it.

Should i blame senior players who wont get themselves right over a whole career or should i blame Eddie Betts that were shit and our kids dont know what to do because theres no leadership???

I blame more than one player... i blame the leadership group as a whole and then narrow it down to the senior group who have been at the club longest and soaking the most money and with an output simlar or less than Eddie Betts and Andrew Walker.

Weve had a close look at Lance for years.. the guy would chronically return from pre season over weight. Nothings changed but the game. Its faster and more taxing on a body.

You dont want your kids to look up to Lance if you want them to improve.
Having brains isnt enough in todays football.

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Take a look at camporeales third quarter, was responsible for three goals minimum. He's a disgrace, as are his half hearted chasing attempts and his less than half hearted attempts at smothering, throw in the idol of the club Koutafidies into that mix.

agree to an extent.

while it isnt entirely pagan's fault - he certainly has as much to answer for as the players.

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Yep, that about sums it up nicely.

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Leadership has been non existant since Kernahan retired...I take Micks point about encouraging young players..whether it be for good play or backing them up when being intimidated we are woeful at it and are playing as individuals....playing more for survival and the team is barely a team which is sad for all...

What can Pagan do?,change the leadership group?... and change a good proportion of the playing list....

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What we'd give to have a 25 year old Stephen Kernahan walk through the doors of the club right now.

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What an insult to Bradley, Silvagni, Ratten, Brown, McKay and co. May not have been as great a leader as sticks but who the hell was?

Telling it like it is HHH..as you said they were not as good as Kernahan....to get a premiership cycle going we need to have some one as good as Kernahan....Brisbane have it had with Voss, North with Carey....thats how it works....we have to have the best to be the best.

Bradley, McKay, SOS, Ratten...all great players but didnt have it leadership wise...ditto to Kouta...we need a player who everyone respects and is willing to follow into battle....

Chris Judd is a great player but doesnt strike me as having leadership qualities...unlike Hodge and Ball...
It doesnt equate that every great player makes a great leader....Gary Ablett springs to mind...

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