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i hate losing & its been a long, long time without success, but I've come home from the G hopeful. There was real improvement tonight- we have players that will be out and out stars of the future-there is light at the end of the tunnel (IMHO)


Blah blah blah...yada yada yada...Don't take this personally but comments like this are beginning to sound like a broken record. Of course eventually things will turn nothing ever stays the same but the length of time is what is in question. I would suggest many many years or to be more in tune with your comment...a flowering long tunnel.


You go with your 'many years' and I'll stick to my belief that we're turning the corner slowly.


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I saw nothing tonight I hadn't seen under Pagan (apart from Kruise and Judd) - in fact it reminded my of that goal fest Brisbane game



Yep and thats what the big concern is, we havent changed much


And not much will until we have a solid back six. We don't even have one solid player back there. We do not have one defender (and I use that term very lightly) who would even be considered as a possible defensive option for any other team in this comp.

That is why we will not be able to keep any side to a losing score unless we have a day out up forward and the opposition has a very off day themselves. We all know this may happen one or two times during the year which then equates to our total wins by seasons end=one or two.

No back six=going nowhere no matter what we got happening up the ground.

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I know tonight's defeat was bitterly, bitterly disappointing. But in amongst that disappointment we saw some amazing football tonight which will repay and reward our support in years to come, when games like this are but a distant memory.

As a mod, and a passionate Carlton supporter, I ask, please keep this in mind when posting about our beloved club.

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I dont have a problem supporting the club we love. My problem is we wont play any better than the first 3 quarters of footy tonight and we still cant snag a win. Eddie was on fire, Fevola kicked 8, Judd played the best footy in 2 years, Stevens had 20 odd touches in the first half. It all jelled togther for three quaters and we still lose by 4 goals. Im tettering on the edge. I cant see the boys playing anybetter than that this year at least. :shock:



I beg to differ.....

We really didn't click well at all until the 3rd 1/4. We really did have a lot of chances to break away for a match-winning lead tonight. The main issue is, we used one 1/4 of the 4 to showcase everything we had and it was all too late due the wasted energy earlier on in the match.

We are going to get much, much better before we get any worse that's for sure.

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I think our fitness at the moment is not allowing us to play out games.
What worries me is, by the time we get our fitness up to a reasonable level, will be playing the top teams. :cry:


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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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I saw nothing tonight I hadn't seen under Pagan (apart from Kruise and Judd) - in fact it reminded my of that goal fest Brisbane game



Yep and thats what the big concern is, we havent changed much


And not much will until we have a solid back six. We don't even have one solid player back there. We do not have one defender (and I use that term very lightly) who would even be considered as a possible defensive option for any other team in this comp.

That is why we will not be able to keep any side to a losing score unless we have a day out up forward and the opposition has a very off day themselves. We all know this may happen one or two times during the year which then equates to our total wins by seasons end=one or two.

No back six=going nowhere no matter what we got happening up the ground.


Sounds a bit bleak and over-the-top to me. If that were even half true then we are in a bit of a pickle without a paddle :? (deliberate mixed metaphor). Just how far off does that make us and can we afford to go in for hole-plugging at such a grand scale? I think not. I think you're being over-dramatic.

Our back six needs a lot of work, we need another permanent marking forward. Our midfield is not accountable...

I wanted a good night's sleep tonight....! :evil:

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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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dannyboy wrote:
I saw nothing tonight I hadn't seen under Pagan (apart from Kruise and Judd) - in fact it reminded my of that goal fest Brisbane game



Yep and thats what the big concern is, we havent changed much


And not much will until we have a solid back six. We don't even have one solid player back there. We do not have one defender (and I use that term very lightly) who would even be considered as a possible defensive option for any other team in this comp.

That is why we will not be able to keep any side to a losing score unless we have a day out up forward and the opposition has a very off day themselves. We all know this may happen one or two times during the year which then equates to our total wins by seasons end=one or two.

No back six=going nowhere no matter what we got happening up the ground.


Sounds a bit bleak and over-the-top to me. If that were even half true then we are in a bit of a pickle without a paddle :? (deliberate mixed metaphor). Just how far off does that make us and can we afford to go in for hole-plugging at such a grand scale? I think not. I think you're being over-dramatic.

Our back six needs a lot of work, we need another permanent marking forward. Our midfield is not accountable...

I wanted a good night's sleep tonight....! :evil:


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I wouldn't really take much notice of Juddy&the Kreuzer's; one too many mid strengths at the G tonight me thinks. :lol: We do not have one defender that would be considered by any team in the comp eh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

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14 losses in a row................... it's bloody hard to stay positive after that.

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and Arsenal out of the title race :-D

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I think it was a great game and we played well for 3/4. We ran out of legs again because too many players ar not fit enough. Id Stevo had been able to maintain his game in the last quarter we probably would have won.

I still believe we will be much better in the secon half of the season and launch ourselves into a good year in 09. I am still confident we will play finals next year. Far too much negativity around here. There was so much to like and so many really great passages of play.

Once Judd is at 100% (and he was prob at 80% tonight), Stevens at full fitness and some others like Simmo, Hadley and Fish etc. find better form, we will be quite good.

We have been smashed in the clearences in many games, great to see tonight so much improvement - in many ways thanks to the Kreuz and Judd. So good to see Eddie play to his potential.

I am actually quite pleased. We need more fitness and better defensive efforts, but that can be fixed.

We are still bottom four but it wont last as long as many think. We are about where the Hawks were two years ago.....


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I think it was a great game and we played well for 3/4. We ran out of legs again because too many players ar not fit enough. Id Stevo had been able to maintain his game in the last quarter we probably would have won.

I still believe we will be much better in the secon half of the season and launch ourselves into a good year in 09. I am still confident we will play finals next year. Far too much negativity around here. There was so much to like and so many really great passages of play.

Once Judd is at 100% (and he was prob at 80% tonight), Stevens at full fitness and some others like Simmo, Hadley and Fish etc. find better form, we will be quite good.

We have been smashed in the clearences in many games, great to see tonight so much improvement - in many ways thanks to the Kreuz and Judd. So good to see Eddie play to his potential.

I am actually quite pleased. We need more fitness and better defensive efforts, but that can be fixed.

We are still bottom four but it wont last as long as many think. We are about where the Hawks were two years ago.....


We had 110+ points kicked on us at 3 qtr time, I dont care if we were in front, when you play great for 3 quarters you dont have such a big score kicked on you!


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What the hell was that? I felt like I was at Rod Laver Arena tonight watching the Aus open- that wasnt footy, that was a fuckn game of tennis.

Our backline is atrocious and we just have no answers to stem the bleeding. If we played Geelong we'd lose by close to 350 points..

Still- I saw Stevens Judd and Hadley rip the Dons a new asshole in the third quarter- when theyre all 100% fit and can play four quarters we'll start to win soem games... and Murph is already 20 times better then Deledio.

But our fukn backline!


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I watched the game. And I've re-watched the highlights. I'm pretty happy with the way we played for the most part. Watching the highlights made me notice many things I had missed when I was watching the game. We have such a young and inexperienced side, it's awesome! GO BLUES!


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verbs wrote:
I watched the game. And I've re-watched the highlights. I'm pretty happy with the way we played for the most part. Watching the highlights made me notice many things I had missed when I was watching the game. We have such a young and inexperienced side, it's awesome! GO BLUES!


I did the same from my recording and saw some very good things. Yes our defence is a worry, but I think it can be fixed. The Hawks were crap at this time two years ago and starting winning late in the season and then went from there.... I believe we can do the same.


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As a mod, and a passionate Carlton supporter, I ask, please keep this in mind when posting about our beloved club.

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Stick your 'mod' element up your clacker, but as a passionate Carlton supporter- fair dues. There is no denying our beloved club.


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For me, the backline wasn't such a concern tonight. Jamison held Lloyd reasonably well.

The issue was Essendon*'s run through the midfield, which is what really killed us. How many goals did their running players kick?

Yes, the game was very reminiscent of the Brisbane game last year. Great to watch, exciting football. Unfortunately, in today's game, that kind of football doesn't win big matches, certainly not finals. We have an oardinary forward line, yet were able to kick 20 goals. Doesn't say much for Essendon*'s defensive game. If either side plays that kind of football against the top teams, whose defeneisve structures are so much stronger, they'll get smashed.

Interesting though how we played the flanks, Essendong went straight through the middle. For me, the jury is out on Ratten's game plan, I will give it some more time before I judge.

There were, however, some significant positives to come out of the game:

- Kreuser's debut was fantastic, he has something special
- Judd
- Gibbs is getting better and better at his inside game
- Betts was a star tonight. If he can keep that up, then that will be a massive step forward for the team. He was quite simply brilliant, before (as others) fading
- Work around the clearances and packs
- Fev

Some concerns:

- Waite simply has to play CHF. Fisher is not the answer there, and was soundly beaten by Fletcher. If they still want to play Waite back, then I think Cloke must play permanent CHF, especially now that Kreuzer can share ruck duties with Hampson (who does need to find some form)
- Scotland, badly out of form, and we're missing his rebound
- Yes, Russell is a worry, shows flashes, then makes bad mistakes. His turn over just before 3/4 time was so costly (of course, he wasn't the only one who turned it over. Which brings me to...)
- Basic skill errors still hurting us

Having said all that, Kreuser, Gibbs, Murphy, Judd, Stevens do form the nucleus of a bloody good midfield in a year or two. It's just a question of whether the second and third tier players can step up. Hopefully Betts is one who did tonight.

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I am pretty gutted at the way things have gone. Especially seeing as for large chunks of the game we played some damn exciting stuff.

I do see light at the end of the tunnel, but it's not going to happen for a few months yet IMO.

Yes we are all sick of it now - but when Ratten was hired the club basically voted to start again - from scratch.

There is no easy way to do this - I can't see any different results with any other coach or with various personnel changes.

What we need is for those kids out there to develop into a team - and no amount of jumping up and down holding our breath is going to change that.

So you can either wet yourself with apoplexy over it, or just develop a thick skin and move on.


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I saw nothing tonight I hadn't seen under Pagan (apart from Kruise and Judd) - in fact it reminded my of that goal fest Brisbane game


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For me, the backline wasn't such a concern tonight.


You must be a difficult bloke to concern. If our backline isn't such a concern, then, well............. whatever.

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I think it was a great game and we played well for 3/4. We ran out of legs again because too many players ar not fit enough. Id Stevo had been able to maintain his game in the last quarter we probably would have won.

I still believe we will be much better in the secon half of the season and launch ourselves into a good year in 09. I am still confident we will play finals next year. Far too much negativity around here. There was so much to like and so many really great passages of play.

Once Judd is at 100% (and he was prob at 80% tonight), Stevens at full fitness and some others like Simmo, Hadley and Fish etc. find better form, we will be quite good.

We have been smashed in the clearences in many games, great to see tonight so much improvement - in many ways thanks to the Kreuz and Judd. So good to see Eddie play to his potential.

I am actually quite pleased. We need more fitness and better defensive efforts, but that can be fixed.

We are still bottom four but it wont last as long as many think. We are about where the Hawks were two years ago.....


We still need tall key position players that the club has not recruited well with,only Austin,Benjamin are the only 2 on the list and are ? as Hartlett looks to be cut at the end of the season.

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we need defenders.


but KREUZER what a gun he is...


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