As for who striked at the Richmond game???

Well who took the bull by the horns and demand to be the best player on the ground???
Anyone demand that they should be the best player on the ground?
Well?????

I listened to Kevin Bartlett the other day.. he said.. "Every game i went out to play i demanded of myself that i will be BOG each week.
Of course i couldnt each week because some players were too good on the day.
But thats what i demanded of myself"

Ill ask you this The Game.... does Campo demand this of himself??... Lance???.... theyve been around the place for long enough to LEAD... where is it???

Why shouldnt the softcocks get bagged????

Its not like theyre volunteering their services to the club.

They are employees... thats all... they work for the members..!!!

and when Campo says he will go to Port Adelaide unless he gets 500k a year for 4 years... well he just proves it.
When Kouta threatens to leave for Sydney... or when Beaumont is on more than SOS... it gets proved over and over again... its a sick culture.

Should we support these flowers????

Of course not!!!

We have no leadership... the @#$%&! wits that are left complain they have little support... well HELLOOOOO... they have little support because the Alland Murphys Beaumonts were exactly the same .. none of them wanted to do their best because the rules changed.. and they didnt like it...!!!

Well they can all go @#$%&! themselves!!!.. cos they have [REDACTED] this club!!!!

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What a stupid comment !!! The players get PAID so of course there expected to contribute to the football club .Lets see how many current players come back to the club and contribute to the Carlton football club once there playing days are over and show some of the passion that internet posters here show.


Geez are you a boss and looking for staff by any chance because i would love to work for you where medioricty is accepted and a half assed job will be accepted with no complaints ..........

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I think some people get supporting individual players as more important to supporting the club.
I know some players think theyre are/were bigger than the club.
Problem is theyre not.!!!

Players come and go... the club is the constant.
These blokes should go play darts ... the individual is the important thing. their body doesnt have to meet any athletic requirements and they dont have members and a board / coach to answer to.

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The traditonal St Kilda culture.

See where that got them for 100 years.

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The Game, I don't think your little cousin wants a poster of me on his wall.

That's because he's a child, and blind hero-worship is all part of childhood.

But we're having a grown-up conversation here about the merits of various servants of the club.

You think that because a bloke worked for the club for a few years on a huge salary, he's given more to the club than someone who gave their time and money to the club for no fiscal return.

You think that Matthew Allan gave more to the club than someone who's spent 30 years washing dirty socks and jumpers for the players, all for nothing more than the honour of helping out.

You think that Matthew Allan, who left the club for Essendon* because we weren't going to pay him enough, has given more to the club than some member who pays her few hundred bucks every single year no matter how tough she's doing it financially.

I disagree. I think he gave a fair bit, but he got a whole lot more (like, WELL over a million dollars in cold hard cash) in return. Net result: in the scheme of things, he's a taker, not a giver.

But I do agree that little kids shouldn't have posters of members and supporters and the bootstudder and the washing ladies and the volunteer board members and sponsors on their wall. So you got me there.

John's already said it better but here's my 20c worth (free of charge - I like to GIVE):



Here's a problem Mr. Game. If you're going to quote people back at themselves then you have to get not just the quote but the intent of the quote right. I've never said that posters on the internet contribute more than the players. To suggest such a thing seems fairly bloody daft in my opinion and is essentially just a weak extrapolation on your behalf aimed at increasing the strength of your weak argument which appears to be based on little more than indignation that someone could question the motivations and character of your boyhood heroes. What I did suggest was that one individual (John M) has made a greater contribution to my viewing pleasure over another individual (Matthew Allan).

As for the intent of that statement considering John's explanation of give and take it seems fairly clear what I was suggesting - that JohnM has GIVEN more than Matthew Allan ever did.

A contribution, as JohnM has pointed out is not necessarily about giving if you're doing it in exchange for remuneration. That's a job. The players do a job and are handsomely rewarded for it.

Giving on the other hand is something you do for reasons of beneficience rather than in the expectation of financial reward. When a player takes a contract at a much lower rate than he might get by flogging himself around the marketplace (see Fevola, Del Santo et al) then he's actually GIVING something to the club as well as making a contribution. We commend them for doing it and in doing so recognise the shortcomings of those who are unable to do so. Matthew Allan is one of these latter types.

I'd like to know what it was that Matthew Allan, Simon Beaumont and others GAVE to the Carlton Football Club for which they weren't remunerated at above and beyond the going rate for AFL footballers of their particular level.

In your first post in this thread you wrote:



Aside from the fact that you don't know who else makes up this board (you might be surprised) that's simply a crock of shit. Allan did a job and was paid. If he'd been recruited by St. Kilda he would have done it there in a similar manner. The system has turned players into mercenaries and whilst there are now few that put their club above their own financial interests the fact that some still do shows the self-interested greed of those who don't. Now I don't mind if player X wants to change clubs to further feather his personal nest. What I do mind is when Player X comes out years later after having been paid more than he would have anywhere else and bags the Carlton Football Club for "not doing enough for us".

JohnM pointed out the distinction he's making about what GIVING to the club is and what making a contribution is (which, obviously, includes games played). Unfortunately you've totally ignored that distinction in your subsequent posts.

Sorry this has rambled on but at least there's no bill at the end.

time to clear a few things up here - boy talk about my name being dragged through the mud.

1) I never, ever met with, saw, spoke with or touched in any fondling manner (or otherwise except that time I bumped into him outside of the MCG and his ash fell down his suit and I laughed ) John Elliott.

2) I never drink

3) I own no paper bags. I'm a lunch box type of man.

4) Tommi may not be the Buzz but he give sme a buzz....

5) @#$%&! the lot of 'em! We were a shit team and a coach wanted them to work harder 0- gee wonder why?

6) I give great service to the club and JohnM and Molsey and the rest are just jealous 'cos one day i'll have my name on Ragsy's locker!

7) if I do drink it is always in moderation

don't belive everything you read unless I wrote it.

9) I think Carlton should exounge the years 20002 - 2005 from the history books (change out name by deedpoll to St Kilda or something for those years)

10) Allan who?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Dannyboy, you never drink? Ever? It's good, I enjoy it.

HEY EVERYBODY, we've gotta ease up on our use of "F@%&#!". It's becoming too frequent - I'm always reading TC and my kids get drawn over to the Carlton logo.

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Fair point John, there are some wonderful members of Carlton and I apologise to them for down playing their contribution to the club.

No problems, TheGame.

And by the way, I don't put myself within a bulls-roar of those 'super supporters' who are the heart and soul of any footy club.

But I still reckon I've given more to Carlton than Matty Allan

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Bullshyt !!!!!

Use Lentil instead.

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How can you not talk about F@%&#!ing when everyone is flopping it out and trying to prove who's is the best?

He meant he wished he could have stayed at Carlton to be a hack but get paid really well like the previous four years.....
He misses them days...

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Good first post Moshe.

Problem with lentils though, Agro, is they give me gas...

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