Mitchell has been performing well in the VFL level, I have to give him credit for that. However, our midfield has always been a problem in the last couple of years and I don't think any amount of changing of assistants is going to help until we get some decent cattle who are willing to listen to advice.

We need someone who would be tough on the players but fair, Voss would be wonderful. But he'll probably play on next year.

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Accountability
Tackling
Aggressiveness at the ball and player

Everything Libba excelled at we're lousy in

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Big bug bear of mine. I was devasted we went with Libba rather than Marcus Ashcroft a couple of years ago.......incorrect decision.

Why does Elsaugh need to stay. Pagan can let go of the apron strings and cut his ties with Elsaugh after 100 years together.

The football department - just as much as the playing personnel - need a rocket up their arse. Whilst l support Pagan he is not beyond scrutiny, he is not an untouchable.

I want to see fresh assistants out on the ground on training nights. New ideas, winners thats what I want. It appears we're still running the football department on the smell of an oily rag just like we did during the Elliot years. F@@@ it Collo put you hand out for financial assistance from the AFL and get a professional football department together.

preach it brother.

any voss or rehn would be very handy additions.

libba - cant see any benefit in him being there.

plus voss used to be massive carlton fan so would possibly jump at the oppurtunity as well.

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You would think that Brisbane will offer Voss a role when he finishes..I dont see him being that interested in moving for a assistants position...my view is that he would only move for a senior coaching position.

I dont see Pagan dumping Elshaugh either..they have worked as a team for a while.
Maybe offer Carey, Shaun Rehn a role....maybe Rehn can do some ruck coaching...anyone fancy Gary Hocking....seems to have a Malcom Blight approach and has a few wacky ideas going by his work with Peel ...maybe our list could do with some religion....

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I still think we should offer Voss a shitload of cash to come and be captain next year in his final year in the game. Then guarantee he will be assistant coach the year after. Imagine how much good he would do for our midfield.

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not sure about that - i think you find most players that have ambitions to go onto coaching generally head to another club. rare cases will see them stay. but look at the likes of worsfold, ratten, o'donnell, etc.. all at other clubs than those that they played for.

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Take your point prez..do you think you get any value from a Worsfod situtation...you know he is short term and only coming to learn the caper and leave..did we actually get anything out of him...wasnt hard to figure out he was going to be West Coast next coach from the time he arrived..
Do your youngsters get the one on one stuff with Worsfold or ist all one way ..Worsfold picks our coaching staffs brains for ideas and then leaves.

I am saying this in reference to our tackling...both Worsfold and Libba were renowned tacklers and hard at the ball but our team is shocking in this area..have our players got anything out of Worsfold or Libba?...or is the assistants role purely academic? in other words we take Voss on..train him up as an assistant knowing he wants and will probably get the Brissie job when available...are less high profile assistants better value?

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Matthews may last longer at Brisbane than Pagan at Carlton in which case Voss would be primed to be our next coach.

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Been preachin Vos for 12months.Stop effen around and get him down here as captain coach ala Ron Barassi.Where goin nowhere and if you think this current setup is gunna take us forward then you believe in fairies in the bottom of the garden.

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another option that may not have been mentioned is Archer not sure how much longer he is going to be playing but he would be an ideal assitant coach... He is a Pagan man and very respected ... he would certainly be able to instill some toughness and discipline into the side. Great player person so would be able to work with both the defence and mid field.

Somebody may know how long Archer maybe still playing for but must be a good option for an assistant coaching role

Was thinking the same thing today, Wolfe, but with the whole Stevo/Duck thing going on, I doubt Archer would consider coming down to OO as an assistant coach.

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I doubt Archer can. There was an article about him being a player manager with 2 other guys. A big conflict there I would say. Does not stop Eddie or Collo though.

Remember Archer on Foxtel being interviewed and was asked about coaching and said he wouldnt enjoy it..for all his aggression he said he wasnt confident talking on TV or in front of a group and it was torture for him and for that reason coaching didnt appeal... and that he was looking forward to his player management career with Ron Joseph and the company they have setup..

Mick ..you have given up on Pagan?...The Voss idea as captain coach is a bit left field but fair enough given our situation...that would be a lot of money for both Voss and paying Pagan out....I'm still of the view that Pagan is the right man for the job at this stage and we should continue with him and maybe give him a chance to assemble a decent list...

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I like the idea of a Chris or Brad Scott if they're thinking of retiring...

They are both fine people (might seem hard to believe but I can tell you it's true). They are both very intelligent, well spoken, committed.

What about John Blakey? Pagan loves him; something along the lines of 'if I had a daughter I'd want her to marry him'.


Criteria: premiership player, not a star but got the most out of their career, in a leadership role at the club

This is the criteria for nearly all of the recent premiership coaches and most of the assistant coaches in premiership teams, ie Malthouse, Sheedy, Parkin and (except for the lack of premierships) Pagan. Blight is the only exception to this rule