and with you reasoniong ryan we should have kept Allan murphy beaumont hickmont Ratten and so on.

oh and fev would not be there except for Pagan for you to dribble over

oh and where is your proof that Whits at Bulldogs equals finals - gee then those dogs must be stupid - why didn't they trade for him last year? A finals ticket in the offing?

Stevens is fine with Pago pago (and I'll lay odds my source is better than yours on stevo) but is struggling with flu and the lose of strength/weight.

Who else? Oh Kouta - yes clearance king but for heaven's sake Ryan lift your eyes out of the stat sheet and watch the game Kouta and campo's lack of defensive accountability kills us week in and week out. Iwould have played him back weeks and weeks ago - that's my citicism of Denis playing Kouta and campo anywhere near the midfield!

As for Campo and lappo - could it be there desire for better contracts is clouding their efforts? Gee that's not Pago Pago is it?

Denis has got things wrong - think the whole club has - but then what would you do with this list and these players who will not play accountable hard football. Me I'd drop the lot of them but that will not happen, so we wait and drift towards the end of the year and hope like hell that they leave - except Kouta, may he find a shady retreat on the ground to play out his final year.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Depends on what he gets paid out at. If he retires and takes nothing (assuming he is doing a noble thing on behalf of the Club, retiring in itself does nothing, its tearing up the contract that would do something on its own), then nothing is included. If he seeks a middle ground settlement a la Mansfield, then that amount received is included.

French for immediate captain!

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So hard to earn, so easily burned
In the fullness of time
A garden to nurture and protect

#DopeThenStash

i've still got faith in Kouta. Probably not as a captain thou.

throw him in a forward pocket next year and watch him kick 40 cheap goals. nothing wrong with that. it's better than playing on ackland doing the exact same thing at the other end of the ground

You have got absolutely no idea, if it wasnt fior Fraser Brown we still wouldnt have draft picks this year!!! He was the only one who didnt roll over on the club and if he had we would have faced an even more severe penalty.

All of the do-gooders Bradley SOS Collo, screwed this club by being so forthcoming. Fair enough in theory but the AFL let us have it anyway.

I know it all stems from the Eliiot reign but the fact that Fraser Brown did not roll over has helped our footy club. So to bag him now is unforgivable in my book.


...not to mention his tackle in 1999!

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

Did Bambi Die

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

Okay, hands up who didn't cry when "Old Yella" was shot.

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Winston Churchill

Not me Agro - I even cried when Atticus Finch shot the rabid dog in To Kill a Mockingbird.

...and don't get me started on the song "Old Shep".

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I'm hoping someone will start making some hard decisions to give me some hope before the year is out.
All the pre-season shite doesn't entice me to buy a membership - I prefer to see some action when it counts. If Pagan starts dropping names and bringing in kids I'll sign up no problems; if he doesn't I'll spend a summer wondering what's changed.


I'll join anyway but I like to see some action to give me hope.

It's time Bambi sat on the bench. Give him Riccardi's number for some advice on keeping warm.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Synbad...you go on and on about how in the greater interests of the club we need to tank games to get draft picks ... and then when they start playing badly you bag them...you can't have it both ways!

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Calm down !!

I hardly bagged him - I called him brown bags brown. Ya know what i bet he did get the odd brown bag - more of an indictment on Elliot than Brown.

Yes his tackle was good and yes i'm glad he didn't roll over like the rest.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Time for Kouta to retire gracefully. I've been advocating it for the best part of three years. Both he and his old sparring partner should hand in their jumpers asap.

Totally ineffective, no influence whatsoever, both have become laughing stocks, throw in whitnall to the mix also.

My main gripe with Pagan is that he keeps persisting with these blokes, when they should've been demoted to Preston. Why not make the tough calls, why do these guys get a game on their current endeavour or lack of. No body to replace them, you say?? Who gives a shit, throw in sone of the kids. We are getting belted by 15 goals each week with these so call leaders, why not get belted by 15 gaols with the kids?? What's the difference???

There is no difference, the leaders do not care. I sat through that shit and didn't even rasie an eyebrow, I've become so accustomed to losing by huge margins. That in itself is a concren, I'm passionate about the club, but seeing these animals cantering about with no intestinal fortitude or pride for the jumper is mesmerising. It doesn't even rate on the emotional scale any longer.

They should've been shipped off long ago!!! Bloody ransom holding mercenaries. PISS OFF, LEAVE US ALONE, LET US REBUILD!!!!!!!

I agree we need a new leader and a new leadership group..Stevens is a good player and I dont mind him as part of the leadership group but I dont see the troops following him into battle....

Mal Michael...? yeah I would give him the job....if we got Kosi(probably no chance) but again I would offer him the job...ditto for Tredrae if their is any truth in that wild rumour that he and Choco are not getting on...
I think we need an imported leader who has no foot in any camp ..present or past and no loyalty to any player etc etc... and I think it has to be a player who can lead by example and to a certain extent make his teammates walk a bit taller...which means he has to have physical side to his game.
Michael "mafia"Gardiner is another one who I would tempt with the captains job if we could rely on him being fit and on the park...might bring the best out of him....
I dont see any obvious captains on our list who can weld the team together...

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Hmmm not sure i concur with all your choices there Elwwod.

In regards to Stevo i think at present without knowing the changes to our list next year he is the best option available but i also think he would do a good job if given the oppertunity. I have seen him show feeling and emotion maybe not so much in past 6 weeks but i reckon that the others who are officially meant to be leading are letting the team down so much he has just said stuff it .. hopefully only until changes come in

Treadrea has a good relationship with Choco so i dont think we have any hope of getting him. The probles in Port are more complex and are mixed more with the Players / Primus and Treaders

Kosi yep good choice if we could get i would agree would be a great option but .... that all depends if the Saints give him up or he wants to go ect

Mal Michael great player but no idea what his true future plans are and what he is going to do.

Gardiner - there is speculation that the Weagles may be off loading due to his so called off field activities ... Would make him an interesting option to get as a player but prob in Melb those so called off field stuff may have less influence as for captain i dont think that he would be ideal in that role prob not good image for the Blues and we have already had enough players with mixed up pasts

Been quiet for last 3 games but effectively carried the side before that so I think this is a tad unfair- had to harbour a load that buckley harvey hird or archer have not been asked to do at their respective clubs this year
I do think we lack leadership but I dont see it only being a captaincy issue - it is a senior leadership group issue.At the very least koutas on field performances means he should be captain- most of the other members of the leadership group wouldnt get close to his performances
Next year kouta should be captain with french and stevens vc and see whether either are captain material - how does anyone else deserve to be captain next year
As for kouta not playing next year how are we going to win any centre clearance - be sensible he has to play and should play

No way will Kouta risk his $800k salary for 2006. Has dropped away quite dramatically in the last 4 weeks. Was doing OK earlier in the year.

He'll play on next year but should be stripped of the captaincy.

Captaincy - an HONOUR and not a CHORE.

I'd love to know how so many people can be sure of what is going on in Kouta's head?

Well said Frankie.

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Rudy said...
[color=red]" but seeing these animals cantering about with no intestinal fortitude or pride for the jumper is mesmerising"[/color]

I can accept that Kouta is struggling for form but i will never accept such abuse regarding an absolute icon of the Club!

WEAK, RUDY!

7dom, unfortunately, the way our captain was running around on Sunday, he's unfortunately not too far off.

It's unfortunate, but there's more truth in his statement than we'd like to believe. Maybe he's injured...?

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- Igor Stravinsky

Fair enough Clem.I acknowledge that Kouta is struggling but i will not stand for someone describing him or any Carlton players as "animals".