Agree with the general "bye bye Matty" sentiment.

I'm sick of this shit. Give me some players that give a F*CK about the navy blue.

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Hmm, this sounds like another Kouta contract, what happens if we offer this and kosi does his knee in the first year and never really recovers?

We'll all be bagging him for a money hungry bastard for the next four years. No Synbad, I say the era of big spending 5 year contracts is finished at Carlton, let's not go back top those days...

Very dissapointing news, as i really love lappo and the service to the club.
he did the right thing last time and i reckon he will this time, because i believe he does love this club, but is just trying to look after himself which most people would do.
I dont believe he is a down hill skiier and while his form is down on previous years, who's isn't?

only a handful of kids have taken a forward step this year.

everyone is right in saying that a three year contract is too much, and i dobut many other clubs would offer him that.
i could see him going to another melborune based club though. i reckon we could suck the dons or pies for a second rounder or favourable trade.

if lappin was going to walk anyway, i reckon richard cole would be reasonable conpensation, rather than none at all..

still i hope he stays for a two year deal

Simmo will replace Matty Lappin.

I've loved watching Lappin in the Navy Blue, but seriously a 2 year contract is all he is going to get, so accept it or walk.

I was told an interesting story from relatives up in the North West about how the Lappins are perceived back in Chiltern. Nigel Lappin is the one everyone loves, the one who would do anything for anyone etc etc. Matty Lappin is the arrogant football star who doesn't give the time of day to the community.

So when hearing this rumour about Matty Lappin walking, It wouldn't surprise me as he only seems to care about himself.

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I would really like to get Tenace. Get rid of Campo to Geelong and give us Tenace. Good swap in my opinion.

I can't believe what I'm reading. People are ready to hang Lappin over an article in the bloody M/X the New Idea of newspapers.

Agree that the sticking point is the length of the contract and if Lappin walks then it may be the best thing long term for the club. BUT the way some of you are denigrating him is disgraceful. Downhill skiing? pffft. Pound for pound he is the best tackler in the competition.

Really get a grip people.

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Firstly I agree that a 3 year deal should not be offered to Lappin. 2 years is perfectly reasonable IMO.

Secondly, while understanding of the context at hand, I still find it somewhat depressing reading at how quick many are becoming to sink the boot in to a guy who really is a marvel in the modern game. Let alone premature, he has not made a decision yet. His body is comparatively weak, his frame should be considred too small, he's not that quick either, but in Lappin we have received many great years of fantastic service and been fortunate engouh to witness some of the greatest moments of individual skill and flair one could hope to see. His name will always be remembered on the #12 locker, regardless of what he is asking and regardless of what the club is offering I think Lappin deserves a hell of a lot more respect than he is being granted in this thread.

What happens if he agrees to a 2 year deal? What say you then!

Skinny is one of my favourite players at the club, I hope he stays and that if he does it is for the right reasons. If he chooses to go I'll do my best to remember him as the super talent he was, getting and achieving far more on a football field with his given talents than many of us could even dream of.

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The article in MX was just quotes from Ron Joseph from memory - he is full of it. In one quote he is saying that CFC is determined not to go with the 3 year deal so he is looking at other clubs. Let him! Two years or goodbye!!! It doesn't need to be nasty - CFC just has to stay firm.

Bloody well said Camel, it's getting feral in here, we are ripping apart one of our favourite sons over a dodgy newspaper report. And of course Lappin will try and get the best deal he can, if push comes to shove sure feed on his carcass then , but I reckon he's due a little more respect around here.

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If you were trying to get a third year, you'd threaten to walk to.

Give us a break guys, Lappin is a club champion. He was clearly our best player last year, only to be pipped at the post, and he's having a bad year. We pay him to make others look good, who cares if people in Chiltern like him.

Agree with everyone on the 2 year v 3 year issue, but you cant begrudge him for trying. I hear that the $ are good, just not the tenor.

If he leaves he leaves but don't try to kill the lamb because of something in Mx, that is probably taken from an interview done 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Well said Camel, can't believe how fickle some "supporters" are.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 41948.html

Now thats how you handle contract negotiations!

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Yes but Alistair Lynch was not 29 when he got a 10 year contract he was 23/24.

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Thanks AGRO...I am that old too!
Just trying to make the point that contracts are a mixed bag of things....and generally there are some limits...increase toime, decrease pay, age increase maybe some Vet relief therefore increase pay but decrease time.
BUT
Push your luck and you get stuff all.....just aslk Allan when the contract was OFF the table. As I said , I'ld hate this to happen to Lappin. I agree with the sentiment that he's been loyal and put in. I don't think he's money hungry as some are suggesting and I don't think he should be made an example of. My fear is that if he (his manager) push it, they will be made an example of

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I don't begrudge Skinny going for 3 years, he'd be foolish not to try.
Age may be against him, but he has the Michael Tuck physic, that lends itself to longevity.
This is not meant to sound sarcastic, merely showing my ignorance. But can someone detail why Skinny is such a poor influence around the club. I remember he got pissed and misbehaved with Fev a few years back, not exactly a hangable offence.
When the Blues visited the Sunshine Coast a few years ago, Skinny was great with the kids.
He has been one of our better players for a number of years. On this site it was alledged he had back trouble earlier this year.
I agree the club needs to be firm, but I can't believe how quickly some supporters are quick to say F.O.
Little wonder player loyalty is a thing of the past. Some pissant article raises it's head, then some supporters immediately criticise the player.
I'd rather more facts before giving Skinny the flick.
Regards Pedro.

Billc, it is all about our mindset as supporters - in the old days most of the players dictated to us as a club what they wanted and mainly got it.

Carlton never lost players they wanted to keep - Bosustow and Hamill are the only 2 in my memory that I have been pissed off that we never retained.

But this culture meant that the lunatics took over the asylum and lead to the "Paper Bag" culture that [REDACTED] us in the end.

This is what happens when you are too scared to let players go if there demands are excessive.

2 years ago I would have been devastated at the loss of Lappin, he is one of my favourite players but not now - the bigger picture is the future of the club and at 29 a 3 year contract for "Skinny" is not really "Big Picture."

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Firstly, this is not Manchester City Blues posting. I have asked him to use
his account as I do not want to register for Talking Carlton and disclose my email and/or identity.

Secondly, I'm sick and tired of the person they call "Synbad". He comes on here and thinks he has control of everyone, thinks he has some kind of divine mandate to convince everyone on this site about the need to play for picks, get rid of Campo/Kouta etc. But the thing is Synbad, you're not a very smart man. Not very quick at all. In fact you're quite stupid.

Firstly, this is the man who only 3 months ago said and I quote "now if Kosi hadn't been a number 2 pick, would you think he's any different to Deluca. Deluca does more for us". Deluca, ahahahaha, Deluca. Now if you said Fevola, maybe I'd take that. If you said Thornton, I'd say fair enough he gets on the park each week. BUT DELUCA?. You're not very smart are you Synbad? You're a simple man who just goes on what happened in the last game. And of course it's all good for Synbad to bag Whitnall and Campo now, bag us for giving them such long deals. But hang on. He wants to give 5 years at 500k to KOSI. THAT IS RIGHT. KOSI! The person who has never had an injury-free season. ever. now if he's getting injured now? waht would happen in 5 years do you think? Crazy. See you're not clever Synbad. You compare Lance to Nick HOlland and other long-term deals taht have gone wrong. But you're not smart enough to learn from history's mistakes. Well I'm glad you're not in charge of the club. . But you like to feel you have some sort of responsibility for the club, don' you? Well you don't. . But you can think you're doing something if you like. When Lance and Campo go, you can think you had a part in it if you want. But Collins and Pagan don't care what you think, they will make those decisions for themselves.

And thank God for that. Of course, I have always been browsing these forums, but never registered. Don't want to get involved in any politics that's going on, it just gets too tempting. But I'll tell you what I've read of the famous "Synbad" since the early days of theblueview. well, in 2003, he was reminding us that "lance was only 23 and is going to be one of the competition's top 10 players". In fact, in a number of posts, he continued to emphasize Lance's "age and ability". Not very good at looking into the future is Synbad. He also stated earlier in the year that "we have enough kids, we'll be lookign to trade our first round pick for a ready-made player". Yeh right, see Synbad is good at reiterating what his mate's think, and what the current situation is like. but we all knwo that Synbad, we don't need to hear it from you. The club doesen't need your help. And talkingcarlton really isn't getting much info now that Shane O's been shafted. Shane O doesen't have a lot to give to your friend, does he?. Shame isn't it.

And of course what Synbad would do if he was in charge of drafting. hahaha, he bags people for not going to TAC matches and listening to what the Journos think. Well imagine if Carlton listened to what you think. Marcus Drum ahead of Beau Dowler. Again, Synbad's not very good at judging talent either. But he wants something to do with football, maybe cleaning the floors is all you are good for. Try that, it's the closest you will get to having any job at the club. But of course, if anyone wants another 190 cm Key Position, they are welcome to recruit one ahead of a taller player. Don't worry about previous mistakes with Massie, Vance. I won't say Livo is a mistake because he is coming good, and it was a weak draft. And of course, he forgets Mitchell Clarke. Not a smart man Synbad at all. Never occured to him that Clarke might have just had an off carnival like Franklin. I personally have heard that Murphy and Ellis are still rated higher, but Clarke is definitely in some recruiters top four.
But Synbad would have us take Drum, not just ahead of Clarke but Dowler
and others. I'm glad he's not in charge of recruiting.

Contracts is also one of Synbad's specialty. Said no-one would be paid what they are not worth. Well Fev was . But Synbad would say, he's worth it! Talent we can't afford to lose. Fine, I like Fevola too, I think he's a fantastic player. But at the right deal, I would let him go. I'm glad he signed, even though he isn't worth 400k, I'm not disputing re-signing him. I'm just saying Synbad's belief in Collo shoudl be questioned. Houla was also signed for more than he's worth . What was the excuse there Synbad?Ah, can't afford to lose talent, can we?. How many more times will it happen?.

I wish you would just shut up Synbad. You shouldn't be worrying about Campo or Whitnall's contracts. Others will. You should be worrying about recruiting, if you're interested. But don't bag others for their views, because yours are quite ridiculous. You shouldn't be bagging people for supporting Lance. Hell, you shouldn't be bagging Lance at all for his fitness problems. I believe you have some of your own from what I have heard. You shouldn't be bagging people for wanting to win games. You have no right to, after saying we should trade early picks this year, and thinking we were back. You were fooled much more than they were, so you really don't have a right. Others are entitled to make mistakes as well.
But I'm glad you think we'll bad for three years, because if you think it, we're bound to be good. Because you're wrong alot of the time, as I've mentioend before. You thought we'd land a big name last year, we didn't You thought Lance would go, he didn't Crap we weren't offered anything, we were offered pick 21 from Hawthorn Turned it down though. But you never mentioend that did you Synbad, you choose your information carefully. Because stating that the club rated Whitnall highly wouldn't be good for your apparent "cause". A deal was also nearly done for Whitnall to be swapped with Travis Johnstone the year before. Very nearly done. It wasn't. We pulled out. Synbad also never mentioned that.

So a few things now. Now I'm expecting to be attacked by Synbad, it does not bother me. From what I have read, Joshua gets it alot on this site anyway. I'm hoping you will just attribute this post to him, I really shouldn't be posting on here. But Synbad has just irritated me beyond belief. So here is some info you need to know, and hopefully it will shut Synbad up.

1. Lance will not be re-signed this season. Trade/delisting intentions are not known, but he will not be re-signed, Lappin to re-sign soon, on a two year deal. Campo's intentions are unknown, however it is believed he is geniuinely considering and the club hopes will most likely sign two year deal on reduced wages Walker and Waite within two weeks.
4. Remember the names Chris Tarrant and Andrew Mackie (who we went for last season but Pagan could not get).
5. We will not be getting Koschitzke. He may walk for 500k for 5 years, but Denis is not stupid enough to do that.
6. Walker and Waite within two weeks.
7. Off the record West Coast have asked us about whether we would be interested in Gardiner, we have stated we are not interested. (they seem to think he is worth our first round selection, most likely pick 3 or 4 overall, insane!)

.. Insert abuse here Synbad.. But I will not be responding. Having fun dreaming about meaning something to the club.

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Well it clearly can't be MCB - not enough capitals.

But what I'd like to know is... what's the goss under the missing points 2 and 3?