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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:21 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
When was the last time we kicked that many goals without hitnall or fevola kicking any


Round 5 2002 against the kangaroos, when we scored 17.10.

http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_matc ... s?mid=1509

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Scotland : Showed some of the form we saw from him last year. Easily his best game this season.

Campo: I will probably get hamered for this but thought that he showed some leadership today. Might be to little too late but at least he tried.

Kouta: His second & third quarter efforts were outstanding. Showed why he is still one of the best getting clearances. His goal from outside 50 was special as well.

Fisher : I wasn't expecting much from him, but clearly he had a gem of a game. Has a massive future ahead of him

Simpson: Was surprised with this kids show of pace. I mean I knew he was quick, but not as quick as he showed in the game. He showed that he is definitely up to AFL standard and should have a promising future

Carazzo : tough & hard. Broke thru a couple of packs with skill and speed. Has good disposal and again got 20 odd possessions.

Fevola : whilst he didn't kick any goals, he did alot of team things. He set up at least three goals and despite parker breaking away at one stage and kicking a goal was good with his chasing. Also he didn't throw a hissy fit.

Room for improvement

Someone else mentioned tackling. Again the team seems to struggle to tackle properly consistently. The were numerous time in the game were Freo players simply ran away from weak tackles, or were able to dispose of the ball too easily to a support player.

Shepherding (spelling?) - whilst it has improved, there is still not enough support given to players carrying the ball.

Crumbing - Despite some glimpses of excitiement from eddie betts, the team still gets hammered when the ball hits the ground. This is eveident both in the forward and backline


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[quote="BluesRockMyWorld"]Campo: I will probably get hamered for this but thought that he showed some leadership today. Might be to little too late but at least he tried. [quote]

There was only a crowd of around 20000 at the G - and from where I sat, and I can tell you I moved around a lot to see the game from a few different vantage points (there were around 60000 vacant seats so it was pretty easy :P ) Campo was getting the "bronx" cheer just about any time he picked up a possession. :roll: - weren't coming from the Freo section either. :wink:

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I think umpires in yellow are worst. Thats what happens when youre shit, the umpires know that nobody cares if you get stiffed.

Tackling is also a big concern of mine. Our best tackler may be our smallest player, Betts and thats a disgrace. We need to get our players at Storm training to stop a few rampaging forwards. That'll teach them quicckly. Efforts of Campo, Stevens, Lappin are nothing short of pitiful considering they want to be considered the leaders at the club.

Fisher was a star,he and Simpson has shown us there is a bit of light at then end of the tunnel. Rapt with scotland obviously and Mcgrath. I was happy with the backline also. Some defensive midfield preesure and the scores would hav been a lot closer. Whitnall was a positive. Gave his all which is what we expect from all our "leaders"

We had the same scoring shots and thats a positive

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:59 am 
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Congratulations to Scotland, a career high in his 88th game in terms of possessions (36, previous best was 29).

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buzzaaaah wrote:
I think umpires in yellow are worst. Thats what happens when youre shit, the umpires know that nobody cares if you get stiffed.

Tackling is also a big concern of mine. Our best tackler may be our smallest player, Betts and thats a disgrace. We need to get our players at Storm training to stop a few rampaging forwards. That'll teach them quicckly. Efforts of Campo, Stevens, Lappin are nothing short of pitiful considering they want to be considered the leaders at the club.

Fisher was a star,he and Simpson has shown us there is a bit of light at then end of the tunnel. Rapt with scotland obviously and Mcgrath. I was happy with the backline also. Some defensive midfield preesure and the scores would hav been a lot closer. Whitnall was a positive. Gave his all which is what we expect from all our "leaders"

We had the same scoring shots and thats a positive


Storm won't be able to teach them the desire to tackle which I think is the biggest issue with the tackling. Technique is irrelevant without desire.

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Granted but if you have a 110 kg beast running at you, theres no place to hide. They either start putting their body behind their tackles or they will be pretty sore

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The way our players stick an arm out to stop a player running past them only yo have that arm brushed aside like cotton candy is galling to say the least

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:09 am 
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I agree. We may as well teach the technique just in case they find the desire.

How many goals did Freo kick crumbing the ball 15-20m from goal and didn't have a finger layed on them, let alone a decent tackle.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:42 am 
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Pity we're talking about the positives here, 'cos Matty Lappin ought to hang his head in shame.......if that wasn't a performance of a sulk who's not getting what he wants (i.e. contract), then I've never seen one. Four goals by a promoted rookie on our supposed gun midfielder (i.e. Stevens) was pretty awful as well.

BTW - Carrazzo's 'relocation' into the midfield has been a revelation and I reckon his disposal has improved out of sight as well.

This time last year I was convinced Simpson was not gonna make it, now he'd be one of the first blokes I'd pick each week.

Teague gave Medhurst a bath, which was great to see and Lance was more than serviceable down back - in fact, I thought it was Lance's best game for Club as a defender.

I thought Kouta & Campo's games were over-rated.....Campo moreso. Stats aren't everything, but they were in Scotland's case - best game of footy he's ever played and one of the better games played by any Carlton player this year.

Brad Fisher - enough said, can seriously play football and is rated highly by opposition supporters (as well as our own of course). 3 goals, 10 marks, 22 possessions - as if ANY team would not miss that kind of input, I reckon he compliments Longmuir quite well in our forward line. It was no fluke that Longmuir played his best game for us yesterday.

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Brettie wrote:
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BTW - Carrazzo's 'relocation' into the midfield has been a revelation and I reckon his disposal has improved out of sight as well.



I quite happily admit I got it wrong on Carrazzo earlier in the year when I said I didn't rate him because he tried to write cheques his body couldn't cash.... If he stays injury free, he's definitely going to be someone that opposition sides focus on negating - and from the pluck he's shown so far, he'll handle that better than 80% of the comp....


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:18 pm 
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Was yesterday the first time in ages Carlton players got the ball and actually backed themselves against their opponents?

Carrazzo and Simpson did it time and time again - so refreshing to see.

Hopefully it will start carrying through to the other younger guys before too long - Waker etc


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I've been thinking a bit more about Carrazzo. He's got that tremendous knack for a midfielder of being able to break tackles. Nice pace, terrific agility, and strong hips/low centre of gravity. Just a touch of the Luke Balls or Robert Harveys about the way he plays. (In honour of Gary Ayres)


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Stefchook wrote:
I've been thinking a bit more about Carrazzo. He's got that tremendous knack for a midfielder of being able to break tackles. Nice pace, terrific agility, and strong hips/low centre of gravity. Just a touch of the Luke Balls or Robert Harveys about the way he plays. (In honour of Gary Ayres)


He is 187cms and 88kgs which helps a lot. Got a little bit of mongrel about him which is fantastic. If he is half as good as a player he seems to be following in his career path I will be estatic. Who would that player be?


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Agree but also gets enough of the ball - apart from walker debut last year when has a young player got over 20 possessions for the blues in the last 3 years- I think Andrew has 4 times this year got 20 or more possessions and whilst possessions arent everything at least it shows an ability to find the ball.
Still needs to work on his disposal - turned a couple over yesterday but continues to improve


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Agree but also gets enough of the ball - apart from walker debut last year when has a young player got over 20 possessions for the blues in the last 3 years- I think Andrew has 4 times this year got 20 or more possessions and whilst possessions arent everything at least it shows an ability to find the ball.
Still needs to work on his disposal - turned a couple over yesterday but continues to improve


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The biggest positive I could find from this loss is that if players like Fish, Carrazzo and Simmo keep giving efforts like this week, opposition teams will have to take note and concerntrate on shutting them down.

This opens the door for the Fevs and Stevens of the team to play 1 on 1 instead of 1 on 3.

When Barny returns and we have a 50/50 ruck contest, we'll win more ball in the middle. You just can't win a game of footy when you can only get 30% of hit outs.

A more even contribution is what we need every week, W, L or D.

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A positive for me early on, was a TV shot of one of our kick-ins.The camera was behind our kicker and the view was of another static up field play.No movement and a reluctance to get on with it.The camera captured Fisher covering near 100 m to be the only player to makea break.

Fortunately the lead was honored and the foray forward was rewarded.

Our kick-in strategies particularly when the man is Stevens are terribly static!


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7Dom,

I remember this happening to when Livo took a free kick after the ball hit the post in our back line. Livo had no option but to bomb the ball long to a contest - the ball came back in for a Freo goal. I dont know why they dont run to space to provide an option


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