They're losing it anyway aren't they? But its not like its an additional 550k every year.

The 300k extra you gave Voss, 200k you gave Lappin and 100k you gave Leppitsch are the same 500k available to you this year.

Brisbane haven't used it for evil anyway, its the most over played issue in football. Tell me 1 player Collingwood lost because of the salary cap difference. Essendon* is different because they had to trade Heffernan, Caracella and Blumfield for peanuts to get under the cap, but if they weren't paying Misiti and Mercuri so much they wouldn't.

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Your best line-up always amuses me Prez as it's always too top heavy.

The modern game requires more runners all over the ground... and we get smashed in the running department every week. That back half of yours especially, would definitely be exposed for pace.

Luv your enthusiasm about getting Kosi though ... how good does our side look with his name in it? GET THIS MAN!!

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Geez I wish you were the Saints trademeister Prez...

I don't care how much pressure we're able to apply due to having 1st place in the PSD, salary cap room etc. If I were St.Kilda and I was offered a deal that pisspoor I'd hand Kosi over to Collingwood for nothing just to give Carlton the shits and show how insulting it is. Take out the first rounder to start with and then offer them some players who aren't either in the last couple of years of their career or overweight and can't be [REDACTED].

Then they might consider it.

I don't think Grant Thomas is the sharpest apple in the top paddock but he's not that stupid.

I'd agree with you normally, but money may not be the issue here as it's rumored Mal's keen to return to Melbourne.

From what I have read Mal is on 220k a season. If that is all they are going to offer for a new contract then you could see why he might be prepared to move.
I remember reading Simon Black re-signed last year (?) for 2 mil over 4 years. You can see why some players are not getting remotely near what they are worth at Brisbane if Black/Voss are on 500k plus.

no good having all these quick runners if you have got a team that can outmark them in a one on one.


the modern game is crap.

the only reason people are following this path is becuase brisbane where strong and quick and everyone thinks that following that and trying to match brisbane will get you a Premership.

give me a tall forward line that can mark and suddenly those crummers are of very little use.

The game is not like in 60's and 70's where you needed the smaller player becuase you where always picking the ball up off the ground. With players like Fish, Waite, Fev our forward line should be more than capable of taking a stack of marks.

The only time you need these shorter players is when you play a flooding game and have to cover vast amounts of areas. But if you had a team capable of taking alot of marks i.e a tallish side you can counter that by simply marking and kicking goals in the forward line.

Conversly - just about every forward line has 3 or 4 Tall players and stretched the defense of most teams becuase they are too short. Get it right both times and mix them with a smallish midfield that will be able to get around the park and perform the role that you talk of and you have a team that will win more games than they lose.

4 Talls in the Forward Line (Waite, Fevola, Kosi, O'Halphin) 2 Smalls (Fisher, Longmuir)
4 Talls in the Defence (Micheal, Bryan, Throton, Livingston) 2 Smalls (Teague, Houlahan)
1 Tall in the Middle (French), 3 Average (Walker, Russel, Stevens) 2 Smalls (Carazzo, Smith)

that is a top heavy team - certainly but with correct disposal would be very very hard to match up on.

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and i think Western Bulldogs are the perfect example of what im talking about.

probably the quickest team in the AFL but certainly arent going to be winning too many permeirships. why? becuase they are easily outmarked alot of them.

Eagles are a good example.

Tall Forward line (Lynch, Hanson, McGougal) with a few smalls (Matera)
Super Rucks (Cox) with average height on ballers (Cousins, Judd, Kerr etc..)
Tall Defence with a few smalls.

I dont have exact figures on all of that, but from the look of them are built very similair to what we could expect over the next few years as well.

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Having too many talls in the forward line means that when the ball comes to ground (which happens alot even if you have J Brown there), the ball just gets rebounded very easily. Talls cannot run-down smalls; you need a combination. 2 key forwards, 2 half forwards and 2 crumbers.

i agree - but i think people are considering the height to much.

two key forwards - Fev and Kosi

two half forward - waite and o'halphin who both move around the ground and pick the ball up with ease.

two smalls - fisher and longmuir, while not small as such arent to bad and getting around the fall of the ball either.

But part of having them is at times they will be on and off the ground as well with players such as betts, stevens and co resting in the forward line giving us that crumbing forward.

See i dont think they game anymore is about set positions but i also think the definition of talls and smalls is hardly anything of concern anymore.

I mean betts is 173cm and looks tiny on the footy field. Most players are between 185 - 190. With talls considered as being 190+

Does 5 cm make that much difference between comparing a tall or a medium sized player? I dont think so.

Alot of people think, becuase they are tall i.e. 190cm plus that they cant get around the ground. Crap.

How tall is Walker? and he motors around the ground like a panther. Same for Waite - he isnt super quick, but he isnt slow either. O'Halphin is quick as well for someone that would be otherwise considerd a tall.

Nope i would have that team i listed earlier and have the opposition coach freaking out becuase they dont have enough talls. Instantly we are on the front foot becuase we are being pro-active. If we are to tall we adjust and bring on those on the bench to have a run in the forward line.

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Smalls dont outmark Talls either

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talk about a hijack though

seriously thouhg i would prefer a tall team that has okay pace than a super quick team but is short.

an another example is St Kilda forward line. With the exception of Milne they are a bloody tall forward line and work super well.

Gehrig, Hamill, Revolt, Akland - i would hardly consider "short"

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Thats why you need a combination. Longmuir and Fisher arent smalls........theyre marking forwards. You need real crummers.........think Craig McRae type

You still need a couple of smaller types in your forward line to get crumbing goals and to rotate through the midfield. No matter how good a marking structure your Fwd line is, there will always be crumbs created from opposing defenders punching the ball away. Can't expect our Tall Fwds to mark every ball that comes in... and I dont classify Fish and T-Lo as crumbing forwards. Having too many talls make you too one-dimensional as well and you'll have too many of them going for the ball in the air and getting in each other's way.



As I said in my previous post, that back half will get exposed for pace. Four talls is probably one too many.

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If Mal Michael is on only 220 k a year i would be very surprised. He was the key reason why they won the 2001 g/final - as he was the only one who could subdue Lloyd. (who at that stage of his career wasn't as bad a cheat as he is now)

Michael is in their top 5 players in my opinion.... but then again i don't watch them that much anymore...so i can't be an authority on that.

220k? - i would be very surprised... but even still, all brisbane has to do is open up their kitty and find the money to keep him. That is what a SALARY CAP ADVANTAGE is all about.

Add another genuine, quick crumber to Prez's forward line and it's very good.

This would mean- Waite, Fev, Kosi, O'Halphin, Fisher, Betts, new crumber guy & Longmuir all rotating throug there.

O'hAilpin goes anywhere, forward, back, bench, so he's not there all the time. One of Fev, Waite, Kosi, Fish and Longmuir will be on the bench at some stage or another.

So the main structure of it will be-

Fisher - Fev - New Crumber bloke
Waite- Kosi- Betts

When Waite's leading up through the ground, Kosi taking screamers at CHF. Fev leading out of the square. Fisher roaming around and Betts and the new bloke you've got a very good forward line.

Prez's backline needs another runner, so Bryan to bench. New fast kid on the flank.

A couple of questions -

No mention of DeLuca or Carlos?

Are we feeding our players HGH because up until this season Livo was 190cm and T-Bird was 189cm and Fevola was 188cm? Now I don't know a lot of people who continue to grow after they turn 21 but we seem to have found the secret.

Not sure why the MC did not give Bryan a chance down back on the weekend. He just wasn't getting near it at the centre bounce and with Prender in the ruck Bryan was sent to the bench and stayed there for most of the game. When Longmuir went forward I thought Bryan would have been worth a shot down back. Perhaps he would have been a chance against Pavlich? Given he was towelling up most of his opponents then we had nothing to lose and certainly a lot to learn about whether or not Bryan could play a key defensive role. Certainly I think T-Bird would be a great HBF and if we can get Bryan or another big body to hold down CHB then we would start to build a very good defence.

If we are looking for a small crumbing forward I would think Eddie would fit the bill however Leigh Montagna is another small crumbing forward who might be available.