that's the prob. Tanking is one of those horrible you're right/you're wrong thingys - which is why it's so wrong - only unnatural thingys accomplish the state of you're right/you're wrong!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thank you for that witty contribution

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pfft - shouldnt you be in the Top 4 beating everyone with your squad and "coach"

st.kilda

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Wolfe I agree with you insofar as I wouldn't want to win another spoon next year.... but I still reckon we need another two 1st-rounders next season such is the dearth of A-graders on our list.

Two Years of Black Plague to Cover Two Years of Black Fridays!!!

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Don't worry about it Camelboy, the plague only covers a small minority of supporters who post on the internet. There are probably 20,000 Blues fans who don't visit these forums.
I did the test on a Hawks supporter at work, I asked him "Do you really want to win?" He replied "What the f$%^ are you talking about?"

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

NOW referred to as the Carltoon position

And for the reasons why I don't want to lose and its vitally important that we dpn't develop this losing culture, I present to you...

Exhibit A....a St Kilda supporter

And its giving us a hard time

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Nah StKilda own the naming rights to the spoon, they do have about a quarter of them.
From now on 'The Wooden Spoon' should be called 'The StKilda Spoon'.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Biting at a child like Barks4eva is like a 6 metre white pointer swallowing a worm on a fishhook.

Whats winning a flag about....do you get the same if any satisfaction knowing you have tanked games to use the system. Will it be the same buzz as it would have been letting nature take its course and getting the draft picks we get....
I want to see carlton win but there is a bigger buzz in winning out over the system, over the AFL and say we did out without help, without tanking...isnt the challenge part of the excitement of winning a flag...going against the odds.
Is it possible to win a flag without bottoming out, should we challenge ourselves to do it or is it impossible these days..is that the reality?..I cant get my head around it. Like i have said before change the draft system ..its wrong the way it is and I cant go to games hoping we lose ....I want us with the best new talent..but at what cost....our dignity and pride....we need to think about the holy grail( a premiership flag) and what it really is and how much it is worth.....if its won courtesy of tanked games then its value isnt as high IMHO.....

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Gee, it's not like we're talking about dropping from 9th position to last to get a draft pick.

We're talking about staying in 16th place, instead of rising to the dizzy heights of 15th, in order to land the best junior player in Australia.

15th is shit. 16th is shit. It's all shit. Either position is shameful and indicative of a losing season.

Only 16th gets us the best kid, and 15th doesn't.

Where's the no-brainer emoticon when you need it?

Agreed John, but we don't need to be happy about it. Or that we should encourage our team to not try, that we should encourage them to fail and that we should encourage them to lose.

Let nature take it's course.

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Now if we had Just Hung onto Jack for a few extra months and let him fight the AFL we wouldn't be having this discussion would we. But no all the impatient members wanted him out as soon as possible and we didn't even raise a wimper when the AFL Spanked us. I'm sure if someone asked him nicely he would have all the paperwork in place to take to court to get this stupid system chucked out. But until someone does we are going to have to go through this up and down scenario until our drafters came find a combination of youngster that can win us a flag.
Wonderful isn't it the world spends billions of dollars - millions of lives are lost to fight off Communism and what does the AFL do embrace it with open arms. Yes everyone shall have their turn

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John..If you value a flag won courtesy of tanked games then thats your point of view and your value system..maybe I have a different value system and would feel better if we had won it through more normal methods. I understand the logic of what you are saying so its a captain obvious that if you finish 16th you get the best chance of getting the best kid...doesnt mean you get best kid..thats up to your recruiters and what they pick.
I think the players/coach have a moral obligation to try and win every game is what I am saying and I am not comfortable with tanking..

15th and 16th is shameful...but so is not trying your best...is the difference bewteen Marc Murphy and the next best player so big we need to sell the clubs dignity and pride ?

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I don't like tanking and I don't like losing. I love our history and have been fortunate to have been at the MCG for 8 of our flags, and not so fortunate to have seen us lose 4 gfs. (As a 10 year old I even saw the Saints win a flag from standing room, and garth p, i even barracked for them....) History is really important culturally, it makes us what we are and gives us a point of reference for where we are going, and drives the current Carlton (or should) to make their own history.

We are at our lowest ebb, we all know that. I don't ever want to see a carlton team 'tanking', but who are we kidding. We are the worst side in the League by a fair way. We will be last, we will get the PP. Not because we tanked, but because we are crap. The Saints are the only side that has got good purely through really high draft choices. The WCEs didn't need to win a spoon to get where they are. It is still about good recruiting, good admin, getting a first pick helps but even in recent draft there has been Dal Santo at 13, McGuire at 21 (both much better than Goddard), Brad Fisher at 76.

We aren't tanking, we just happen to be the worst, and we are more than a few draft picks from being a decent side.

PS anyone who thinks our premierships don't count for much because they were VFL rather than AFL clearly wasn't there. 1970 is going to be much more famous than most AFL flags whatever acronym the competition has.

errr cough, as opposed to all the flags you bought, cough cough

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Ignoring the ridiculousness of your post Barks4eva, it is hardly Carlton's fault that we've had positive cashflow for most of our existence, as distinct from the tin rattling AFL butt licking gutter existence of your Club. something to do with perennial failure and extreme lack of success, from memory. Don't begrudge other clubs success, especially with the worst record in the competition.

Hmm, I think the problem here is the system has changed, before the rise of communism in the AFL excellence was rewarded and mediocrity was punished, now it is beyond doubt that the entire system is built to punish excellence rewarded mediocrity (ie the Black Plague has arrived).

And for a club like ours which has based it's entire history and culture on excellence, we are being gutted by this situation.

F**k I hate it but what else can we do guy's, the system is stacked against us if we refuse to bow to mediocrity and submit to the Black Plague...