Tell me how much of that actually has to do with the current board?
2002's spoon was JE's last season as El Presidente. The fines and draft penalties were a result of JE's payment methods. We were cornered into leaving PP.

get your facts lined up properly before hanging shit on the guys trying to clean up the mess.

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Sydney, I know you're a fan of Elliot, but let's look at all the ills you've ascribed to the current board and see if they stack up:

2 wooden spoons? No, we've only ever finished last once and that was under Elliot.

Massive fines? No, we got punished because the Elliot board got sprung cheating.

Loss of draft picks? See above.

Loss of home ground? We didn't lose it, we walked away under the best deal available at the time (would've been better to do so before building the Legends stand, but well... that'd be the current board's fault)

Delisting 31 players? Yes, but that's because we had/have so many ordinary players because we pretty much ignored the draft for five years straight (Elliot's board, by the way)

19 wins out of 82? Yep, that's four lousy seasons. The worst of which (so far) was during the previous board's reign. Some legacy they left us, huh?

You sir, have the brain of a pea.

Actually I take the "sir" bit back also. Your an embarrassment.

Wont deny anything you have said there John but my point is the Fans have been tolerant through all this - It is about time they started getting rewarded for their loyalty . For four years now they have been turning up looking for things to turn around and they have gone from bad to worse. Then the club comes out and say repay us and we have got three to five more years of this to come. A bit much isn't it. Who was that that Wizard signed with last week. tell Mr Malouf what did you do to secure their signature.

By the way you cant cheat an illegal system it is not possible. Mr Collins should have mentioned this quitely to Mr Jackson

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While I do applaud Malouf for coming out and asking for continued loyalty, I do think the fans have been great so far, and should be recognised. Two consecutive record membership years are testament to the ability we have to stick by the club.

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According to the story "It was Carlton's lowest crowd for an MCG match since 15,916 fans saw a match against Richmond in 1987"


Any idea why the 1987 game drew such a low crowd, given that it was a year in which the club was obviously performing well, given they won the flag?

Possibley was the weather. I seem to remember an incredibley wet game against Richmond.

In 88 they beat us on a Friday night which our 3rd straight loss.

Was probably the first signs of the collapse that occurred in 89.

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Cheers for that Blue Brad

Look, I know what Malouf is trying to say, but the way he said it really grates. We've stuck by the club during the darkest hours, we've signed up as members in greater numbers than ever before. We stumped up $1000 each to rename a stand that was used for 4(?) more games. For the most part, we've copped it on the chin despite constant taunts in private, i.e. co workers every Monday morning, and in public, i.e. The Comic Book Man who writes in The Australian. (quote yesterday "Worst Tennis commentary ever!")

Mr Malouf, we haven't gone anywhere and now is not the time to start saying that one side of the ledger is out of balance. Show us something on the bloody field and we'll come if we can, it doesn't have to be a win, (I'm sure many would prefer at the moment that we don't win) but don't play a new kid for one week and then drop him. Play kids, promote rookies, give us bloody something.......

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Well said Stretford and I agree totally. Many of us have forked out our fair share and although you still with them no matter what some of us get pretty jacked off when all we are doing is spending big bucks on memberships every year, forking out $50000 for a beer and a pie on the weekends and continually watch our blokes play with no spirit. Seems all we are doing is lining players pockets

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And you are talking through your hat. There is currently no determination that the system is "illegal", as you put it. It has not been put to the test in court, and legal opinion is divided on the issue, as it can be argued that the rules are essential to the survival of the competition.

Any speculation that Elliot would have won a court case (if the CLub had any money with which to fight it, which of course it didn't), is pure speculation, and it is a nonsense to claim otherwise.

A bloke by the name of Terry Hill who currently plays with Manly took the NRL to court over the Draft and won - The draft was then thrown out and the NRL clubs agreed in principle to support a salary cap in an attempt to stop clubs killing themselves with over payment to players. Much the same way as all the AFL clubs agreed to it . Elliott didn't worry about wether he cheated or not because he knew he had this up his sleeve . Go read his book .There is your determination. So in answer to your question he would have won and it would have cost the club nothing but time as the AFL would have been then hit with the costs. Once he had acheived this then you should have kicked him out -not before.

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You can thank me now guys - have now bumped that horrid article off the front page of the site~!

Your assumption is wrong, the fact that the NRL case was won by Manly does NOT make any such case in the AFL a certainty. Elliot can claim all he likes, and the fact that he says it in his book means Jack shit.

I agree Carlton fans have been great to keep renewing memberships and overrall financial support.
But I think Malouf is speaking about "turning up" to support the team.
I live in Sydney now, but do fly down five times a year to see the Blueboys with my membership.
I can only say that I would be there every week as a true blue fan if I lived in Melbourne, (just as I did between 1976-1996) - whether the team is doing great or schneizenhousen(if that's how you spell it!)

I think you're looking for Scheissenhausen, or to use the correct German character Scheißenhausen

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Baseball bat Maàm????

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