The Black Plague

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

garth p wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Blues2005 wrote:

The encapsulates the problem.

People like The Shag (certainly not just The Shag) actually believe that Marc Murphy is a vital pre-requisite for future Carlton success. It's an amazing view and in my opinion a preposterous one (as I've argued at length in another thread).

Shag, you do know that the draft doesn't end at pick 1. We're likely to have picks 2 and 4. You want a "swag full of gun players". Would you not expect to pick up gun players with picks 2 and 4?

Didn't you know.....Pick 1 is the only worthwhile one in the draft. 2-100 are total duds. spazmos, guys who test positive to unco. Losers.
That's why we don't want anything but pick 1... :wink:

Oh.....and :roll:

Oh Yeah!!!!

I got 2!!

IN YOUR FACE, DEANO!!

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:30 pm

garth p wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Pleased to extract an expanded vocabulary from you garth.

Also unsurprised at you guys being quick to forget the past. Let's just move on shall we.

Bit of a contradiction there , old son, isn't there?????

Haha, which bit?

The Vet · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:01 pm

hey Garth P,

win the flag.

@#$%&! off until that happens.

Next year will you visit some other site to enjoy your pathetic attempt to create credibility.

The now.... WOW. 100+ years in the making, and 1 @#$%&! flag. Cannot remember how many spoons. But I'm sure you do.

So again, @#$%&! off, troll.

Sip on your spoons, mate, cause we are still drinking from our cups.

Brisbane - nope,

West Coast - no way

shit, who are you gonna beat????

Oh yeah, you beat us....

Wolfe · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:09 pm

26 spoons if i am correct but if there are more someone may want to correct me

JohnM · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:13 pm

You know, if they handed out emoticons instead of wooden spoons, then the Saints trophy cabinet would look like

:roll:

mikey_m · **Joined:** Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:25 am **Posts:** 787

Come on people show some compassion. Look at how bad we have been these last 4 years and imagine a club being that way for 99% of its existence. You then have the 'Aints.
Cut him some slack he has his 5 minutes of fame and then another 26 spoons in the future to complete the set.

Robert Heatley · **Joined:** Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 615

Having read some of the thread above - some thoughts

1. We are not good enough to tank - we are last on our merits.

2. People say what is the difference between getting picks 1 & 3 and picks 2 & 4. The answer is not much - Murphy may be a Carlton superstar he may be a Brisbane superstar, he may get distracted and not live up to his potential. 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 from the youngsters is a good result for us. However we are drafting 18 year olds - it is an inexact science. Refer exhibits A - Murray Vance, Danny Roach, etc etc - how long has Tim Walsh been at the Bulldogs as pick 4??

3. The real opportunity lies with pick 1 in the psd. With room in the salary cap we walk into trade week holding 4 aces. St Kilda picked up Hamill, Gehrig and Voss while similarly armed at the end of 2000.

4. Club culture - This is important - as a kid Richmond was the team that expected success and was ruthless in attaining it. Through the 80's and 90's they lost all that. We have to leverage off our past success and our support base. It will be interesting to see if the likes of Geelong and St Kilda who traditionally have been happy with "near enough is good enough" can have success while they have been granted the playing talent or will their self limiting beliefs perpetuated over time ensure that success eludes them? Ask yourself what Essendon* or Carlton would be achieving with St Kildas list.

5. Drafting is a numbers game - lets get picks 1,3,19,35,51 and see what happens. If every club delists an average of 5 players - there are 75 players that may be better than the ones we have. It may be worth delisting 12 or 13 players in case some of the 75 are better than ours. We can use picks in the 60s and 70s to either redraft our players or get some recycleds. If we get kids at 1,3,19,35,51 we get 5 kids to add to Walker, Hartlett, Simpson, Russell, Raso, Blackwell, Fisher, Waite. There is 13 kids to pin our hopes on. Add them to (the good) Fevola, Stevens, Thornton, Livo. Lets hope Teague and Scotland can recapture 2004 form and we have a future. What if we can duplicate the Hamill, Gehrig, Voss success of St Kilda? What if the O'hAilpin boys click?

6. Have I got the plague? I know we have to finish last, I'm struggling to go to games at the moment because I know we are not good enough to win - and as JohnM pointed out - the system dictates that we cannot afford to win. I hate the gameday mindset that this produces.

7. Can we beat Hawthorn at the weekend? Only if Everitt gets injured in the first minute. With our lack of ruckmen at the moment teams get easy centre breaks and easy goals. Invariably our skill errors gift 2 or 3 each week to the opposition (I'm being conservative). The combination of easy centre breaks and skill errors means we are playing with a 6 to 7 goal handicap most weeks.

Kouta · **Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:27 am

camelboy wrote:

The numbers: 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1946,1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

Hmmmm Demidenko winner

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:32 am

JuzzCarlton wrote:

camelboy wrote:

The numbers: 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1946,1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

Hmmmm Demidenko winner

Edited now. :oops:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:16 pm

Wonder how all the Plagueys are going heading into the most important loss of our history!

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Hmm...if we win 3 of the last 6 games we lose a top 4 draft pick.
Go blues!! :roll:

Teddy · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:08 pm

Great post camel boy.

Plague is a very appropriate word.

Those that want us to finish last have lost perspective. You see the the argument that we need to perform badly to get low picks is not so relevant this year. We HAVE performed badly and (unless we win three more games which is unlikely) we will get two high picks.

Tanking only becomes an issue when we are performing better. If say next year we are good enough to win 7-9 games, do the tankers advocate losing on purpose so as to get less than 5, or to get a low pick. That is when the true mettle of their argument is tested.

We are most likely going to get 2 picks, why get the wooden spoon as well? And two picks, is, as many tankers admit, only a start. So i would like to see what they say if we have won 4 games in the first 10 rounds next year. Tank the rest in the interests of winning a flag in the future?

Yes, i understand people being happy to get a pp. I'd love a pp and we're most likely going to get one whether we tank or not. But to want a wooden spoon just to get a bloke who may or may not got to Brisbane and who may or may not be better than Ellis or who may or may not turn out to be as good as Goddard or T. Johnstone or Josh Fraser, all of whom were raved about, is sheer bloody madness.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:30 pm

I saw a sign tonight that the worst of the Plague might be past.

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