99prelim I thought all the sanctimonious drivel you harp on about in threads was some reflection of a low intelligence level. What I've since learnt is that it's not only that but you're quite foolish and feel the need to spell things out for others. Forget about what you posted, then or now, it's all crap. You can "sneak in" or "hang on" all you like. That's you're problem, no-one elses. It's 2009, not 1999.

Baby steps, eh?

Well Ratzinger Jr, you can call it "falling in" you can call it "scraping in" it doesn't matter. We've been rubbish for the last 10 weeks, and more of the same will get us in the 8 with 11 or 12 wins.

That's a reflection on the state of the competition, not of how great we are. As it is, our (not so) recent form is hardly better than 2008, and considering Judd is back at full output, that our overwhelmingly young team is a year older, stronger and wiser, and our L-plater coach should be on his Ps by now, that's not too flash.

Maybe injuries is the difference, maybe the players are lost like they seem to be.

Yup. And the reason we were at the bottom for so long was a reflection that all the other teams were so much better than us. Damn those reflections.

Agree.....

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Hey you finally made sense. congratulations Yes, it is 2009. Maybe if the club started functioning like a 2009 AFL organisation and not the 1999 variant, we could get somewhere. Well done, see what happens when you put your mind to it

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Would Greg Norman still be married to his "unsupportive" wife if he had won the 5 or 6 extra majors he should have? Who cares - he lost. What if Tom Stauffenberg Cruise had killed Hitler? What if Harmes' tap was ruled out of bounds?

Maybe you shouldn't be so obsessed with the 1999 Preliminary Final.

99 prelim was a pretty good game... Rats coached well that day... What???

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Was it Brittain or Parkin? Did anyone actually know at the time?

That's right. As they say in golf: You don't write down how, you write down how many.

If we make the 8, we make the 8. That's all there is to it.

Sometimes you win ugly.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

when we get the processes right and we get this great new coach I think we should write that into the contract


its not about winning or losing, its about how you play the game.

or

eight smaite - did we look pretty?

or forget the goals we did get, lets consider those we might have got....

or

you stuff up the kicks outs from behinds and we kick you up the behind!



logically there is a difference between making the eight and not making the eight but apparently not enough of a difference to make a difference

gaining finals experience and not gaining finals experience are the same thing depending on where you are sitting or not sitting



and damn hawthorn they are the new chris judd - they get an early flag and now every club has to get an early flag

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Interesting to hear Adam Simpson say how he watches so much football cause if you take your eyes of it for 5 minutes the game passes you.

god that is soooo interesting - let's make adam coach.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Whether you like it or not the draw determines to a large extent whether you make the 8 or not.
Who you do or dont play twice
The draw is a joke . Every club isnt on a level playing field.

So lets look at the draw in relation to Carlton
The biggest advantage is if you play the cats, saints and dogs once
The one thing that gives this poster hope is that our 2 best games were against the saints and dogs.
But we play these guys once. Huge advantage

We also play Hawthorn once. Hawthorn have just about the best team. They have had the worst premiership hangover in history. Still a very dangerous team. We played them once which was early. We lost.

We played Adelaide and were a joke.The last game could be crucial.
We have played Brisbane twice both excellent wins.
We have played Collingwood twice. Were pathetic Friday night. Easily one the other one but the Pies virtually fielded a seconds team..
We have also played Sydney twice a team that is just going. 50% record there.First game was pathetic
Essendon* lost both second loss atrocious against a team that is quick but soft
Richmond one both the second win was only good because we got the 4 points
Fremantle a shit team that we have a 50 % record and the game we won we had to come from behind at 3 quarter time.

The first round game will be the one that gets us into the eight because Richmond shat themselves with the expectations and we virtually won 2 games that night with such a big % . Also the results from the other games and the draw are doing us favours. Essendon* Port and Hawthorn all lost
Port play the Hawks this week.



So have we improved from last year.
I say only a bit.
We are a work in progress. Yes
But IMO I would expect a better peformance this year particularly given the excellent draw we have had.
Trying to install a different perspective on this thread before the mods put a end to it
According to our coach
"The bar was 10 games last year, we need 12 for the finals and if we dont make finals it will be a disappointing year"

Well I add to that that it will be a very disappointing year if we dont finish top 8 given our draw.

If we dont(We have North, Melbourne and Port to still play)

Ratten should be sacked or quit

But part of the reason he woudnt be is because he was given a contract extension too early and there is still a Carlton culture problem from the past.Contract extensions
The speech our President gave at the B+F last year was disgraceful, arrogant,narrowminded and sums up why we are what we are. A relic.
Of course Sticks wouldnt sack his great mate from the 1995 premiership team.

I agree keogh it will not happen, not this year.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

What was wrong with the speech made by the President at the B&F last year that Judd won? I don't remember anyone having any problems.

Or do you mean a speech made by Kernahan, who wasn't President, back in 2006?

he slagged off at all these journos. i assume it was last year verbs. Doesnt matter it was a disgrace and embarrasing to hear.
Good presidents may do that verbs but behind closed doors not at a B+F with cameras and audio.
That sort of behaviour promotes the karma bus to warm up

The karma bus ran us over on Friday night when Thomas and Didak tore us to shreds. Thanks to all the Carlton supporters who have prattled on about how crap those two are, we got smashed. Since you bring up the karma bus, the blame for Friday's loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the supporters.