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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:33 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
A lot of comments about how negative we have been in the first half and the gameplan is thrown out the window and we attack in the second half

Well it may be of interest but the last few games the number of tackles we have had in the 2nd half has doubled the number of tackles in the 1st half and yet we are supposed to be playing negative football in the first half .


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Maybe something to do with how comfortable we are with the initial plan. Hesitant, confused. Dunno. Maybe attacking means we're happier with a simpler plan after half time mean we're less hesitiant, confused hence attacking the man more too. I'm just speculating though so don't take that as my opinion. Possibly a huge half time kick up the @rse might've helped too.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:50 pm 
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Synbad or any of Ratts detractors please explain to me Ratt's game plan and why it is out of date?

From where I stand the biggest determinant of our success has been our execution. It has been very erratic. When we do not get clean possession out of our the middle we look third rate.


You use this as an excuse to have Rattens gameplan explaiened?

Ok.

Its about possession... must hold possession at all times.
We use half a dizen players as lock down players... then we have 3 midfielders that have to try and create on their own... but they dont chase back that well... so cos they dont chase back defensively very well... we have half locking down and half a midfield thats trying to create...
Also cos half of them are locking down and being reactive to the opposition team... they cant zone.. and cos we do try to zone and lock down alot of our players are out of position...
Our inside fifties are bomb it to Fev... cos were only playing with 3 creative midfielders so our midfileld is playing with less creative numbers.
When we do have the ball across half back we are not supposed to take the game on.. we must slow it down at all costs and make sure we dont turn the ball over... "if we have the ball they dont have the ball and if they dont have the ball they cant score".(Adelaide Crows circa 1995/1996).. now what this means is the organised teams have time to organise defensively....
Also means with all the chipping around and attempting to share the ball with little backwards/sidewards chips our players arent running too hard.. they are looking for the cheap handball/chip receives).. its just bad conditioning.

The other bit of the ganeplan is "give it to the champ" the champ is Chris Judd.. and its the name Ratts nicknames him...
Of course the opposition teams are aware of the "Give it to the champ " gameplan.. and are ready for it... so they have 3 guys hanging of "the champ" at all times....so you often see players give the ball to Juddy no matter whats going on around him and how many opp players are dagging off Juddy(Usually results in a 4 man tackle on Judd and Juddy miraculously slipping a handball away beore being smashed)

Thats most of the gameplan.. in a nutshell...
Its remarkably complex and adventurous.

It promotes positive football... and a positive mindset..!!!
Probably a decent explanation, too complex for a young side. Although Ratten did complain they didn't move it quickly enough out of defence. Maybe a part of of why they're confused hence hesitant. I can see why when it's changed up after half time alot of weeks to a more simple, attacking one (because we're in trouble and have nothing to lose) we play alot better. We play with alot more freedom, fighting back with good footy coming out on top, albeit against lesser opposition recently. It has led to patches of outstanding footy. St.Kilda was a great example.

Nice to have a Plan B even if Plan B's better than Plan A!

Love to see us go into this week with a nothing to lose attitude and attack from the start. Could get an interesting result.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Of course its the coach and the set up....

Collingwoods coach and set up are superior to ours..

They know what they want from players and from the team...

They get the most out of a bunch of ordinary footballers..

Everybody please remember these are opinions of a DANCER. A person who has never played the game, never been involved in a club as either a support staff or volunteer even, all by his won admission.

So you need to keep his comments in perspective and treat them for what they are. :thumbsup:


Ok so Malthouse is a dancer... but Ratts is a supercoach???

Australia you have talent is finished... but you dont have comedy talent.. :thumbsup:[/quote]

Malthouse has played the game and been involved in footy for 40 years. You said you were a dancer and have never played the game. Fact by your words. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:40 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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Well we could have got VOSS as coach and after watching the game last night Brisbane looked worst than us.

Did they have a game plan? :idea:

The team with the better skills wins games and Collingwood have hard runners and players who never miss a target. While we have players who can't kick to save themself. IT IS NOT THE COACH!!!



Of course its the coach and the set up....

Collingwoods coach and set up are superior to ours..

They know what they want from players and from the team...

They get the most out of a bunch of ordinary footballers..

Everybody please remember these are opinions of a DANCER. A person who has never played the game, never been involved in a club as either a support staff or volunteer even, all by his won admission.

So you need to keep his comments in perspective and treat them for what they are. :thumbsup:


I know one thing they are......they're more insightful than yours....and what does his profession have to do with it?? Maybe you can come out publicly with your craft so that we can use it as an excuse for the stuff you churn out. For mine, I'm a secondary school teacher.....please don't use that against me, you know stuff like you're on holidays all the time etc

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:42 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:55 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:13 pm 
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fraser murphy wrote:
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Thankuverymuch....what's in the box?.... :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:19 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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Of course its the coach and the set up....

Collingwoods coach and set up are superior to ours..

They know what they want from players and from the team...

They get the most out of a bunch of ordinary footballers..

Everybody please remember these are opinions of a DANCER. A person who has never played the game, never been involved in a club as either a support staff or volunteer even, all by his won admission.

So you need to keep his comments in perspective and treat them for what they are. :thumbsup:


I know one thing they are......they're more insightful than yours....and what does his profession have to do with it?? Maybe you can come out publicly with your craft so that we can use it as an excuse for the stuff you churn out. For mine, I'm a secondary school teacher.....please don't use that against me, you know stuff like you're on holidays all the time etc


Secondary Teacher also but in Principal class, and I know you have never coaced either. But Synbad has never had any involvement at all. Simply a fact, nothing more :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:21 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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Thankuverymuch....what's in the box?.... :grin:


Shall I say it.........Ratten's Gameplan

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:40 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
99prelim wrote:
baz_baz wrote:



Of course its the coach and the set up....

Collingwoods coach and set up are superior to ours..

They know what they want from players and from the team...

They get the most out of a bunch of ordinary footballers..

Everybody please remember these are opinions of a DANCER. A person who has never played the game, never been involved in a club as either a support staff or volunteer even, all by his won admission.

So you need to keep his comments in perspective and treat them for what they are. :thumbsup:


I know one thing they are......they're more insightful than yours....and what does his profession have to do with it?? Maybe you can come out publicly with your craft so that we can use it as an excuse for the stuff you churn out. For mine, I'm a secondary school teacher.....please don't use that against me, you know stuff like you're on holidays all the time etc


Secondary Teacher also but in Principal class, and I know you have never coaced either. But Synbad has never had any involvement at all. Simply a fact, nothing more :thumbsup:[/quote]

I'll say it again...what does someone's profession have to do with it???? As a fact, it adds no value to the discussion, a bit like Ratten this year, organic improvement but no value adding.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:45 pm 
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WA Blue wrote:
YAWN

Why do you think it's a yawn?
Having first followed Carlton in the 1970s and 1980s then rejoined after the first wooden spoon (yeah, I missed the 1990s) because my daughter was keen (huh, little did she know as I assured her that when Carlton made finals they won - that's yet to happen but she is old enough now to be interested in other things, just as well), I've got to say that I always listen to Synbad because this club needs people who question what's going on. (I don't listen to Melvey, he lacks authority!)

Most TCers seem to come from that period when I didn't follow football - the 1990s - when, like many, I couldn't have my heart in any club run by John Elliott. (I didn't have much time for Ian Rice earlier either, sure.) So, maybe I don't have as much faith in the 1995 premiership team as others - I still have to come to terms with how much the 1999 preliminary final means to people on TC as despite a great win we lost the grand final the following week.

I actually gain heart from coming on TC and seeing that people feel the same way I do - it helps me to think that change is possible. Yeah, I know Synbad won't let it go but who is happy with the way this team is currently performing? The way the team is performing is a yawn, they're boring, maybe they're bored. I know I'm bored watching them. They lack intensity and enthusiasm, weekly. They make me yawn when I want, er, thrills, release, escapism, not too much to ask for after all the drear?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:47 pm 
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99prelim wrote:




I'll say it again...what does someone's profession have to do with it???? As a fact, it adds no value to the discussion, a bit like Ratten this year, organic improvement but no value adding.[/quote]

It is very much like the E 5 model. Engage Explain Explore Ellaborate and Evaluate.

When you get to the Evaluation you look at the information, the source, the experience of the root of the source and form a judgement about what you see. I have formed it and my judgement is the guy doesnt know what he is talking about because he lacks experiential knowledge. If you dont like that well so what

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organic improvement :grin:

how clever, nothing Ratts can do is right - everything is wrong or inept. Let me guess - maths/science - not Lit. and definitely not philosophy. :smoking:

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what a crappy thread.

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fraser murphy wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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Thankuverymuch....what's in the box?.... :grin:


Shall I say it.........Ratten's Gameplan


Beautifully played Murph... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:56 pm 
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marving wrote:
I want, er, thrills, release, escapism, not too much to ask for after all the drear?


You don't think come from behind wins against teams like Freo, Sydney, North are thrilling? Especially ones where we won by less than a kick? You don't think 7 goal wins against The Bulldogs, 9 against Collingwood, 10 against the Swans aren't a good release?

You're a hard man to please, marving.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:05 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
marving wrote:
I want, er, thrills, release, escapism, not too much to ask for after all the drear?


You don't think come from behind wins against teams like Freo, Sydney, North are thrilling? Especially ones where we won by less than a kick? You don't think 7 goal wins against The Bulldogs, 9 against Collingwood, 10 against the Swans aren't a good release?

You're a hard man to please, marving.

Welcome, and have fun here.


I'm not a man so that explains things!
Actually the best, most exciting win I think we've had for the year was the one against Richmond first up so maybe it was, er, too good too soon. Bulldogs win was very good, true, but the Swans seemed to be heading down anyway. Can't say I didn't enjoy that last quarter though or even a miserable looking Brent Harvey at end of last Friday's game. It's the little things ...


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marving wrote:
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I want, er, thrills, release, escapism, not too much to ask for after all the drear?


You don't think come from behind wins against teams like Freo, Sydney, North are thrilling? Especially ones where we won by less than a kick? You don't think 7 goal wins against The Bulldogs, 9 against Collingwood, 10 against the Swans aren't a good release?

You're a hard man to please, marving.

Welcome, and have fun here.


I'm not a man so that explains things!

Actually the best, most exciting win I think we've had for the year was the one against Richmond first up so maybe it was, er, too good too soon. Bulldogs win was very good, true, but the Swans seemed to be heading down anyway. Can't say I didn't enjoy that last quarter though or even a miserable looking Brent Harvey at end of last Friday's game. It's the little things ...


:lol: :lol:

Sorry for making an assumption based on what I thought your name might be.

I didn't find that much exciting about the first round win, TBH, other than the big margin. You're right about the "little things", especially Harvey being gutted by the loss. Speaking of little things, you might have to take some of the smaller minds with a generous pinch of salt.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:42 pm 
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Knights is the man!

He has a game plan ......

It's so good that it confuses the tankers and costs them priority picks!

Go Knights, go Bombers!

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