It's your classic Catch 22 - We all want Lance to leave, but we all know that if he goes to another club he will d-o-m-i-n-a-t-e. He's that good, and we all know it.

We will be laughed at next season when he has kicked 50 goals 12-13 rounds in wearing an opposition jersey.

Hopefully, with whatever we end up in exchange for Lance, it works out better for us in the long run.

I can't really fault Lance's play this year to be honest. He hasn't been too bad, has he? Solid rather than spectacular, though.

Having said all that, I really want Lance to leave.

Good for him if he plays awesome footy next year.

He isn't working under our game plan and needs to be moved on.

It really is that simple.

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Now that is one terrible post. Ever heard of player development? Don't you think these players are better off, playing 4 quarters week in week out in the seconds, honing their craft, learning how to defend, learning how to attack, learning how to be accountable, learning how to postion themselves, learning where to run for the ball, learning gameplans etc etc etc, without the added pressure of being under the spotlight of the AFL.

We may be on the bottom with 2 1/2 wins, but I trust Dennis Pagan & co to develop these players appropriately without throwing them to the wolves.

Harford over Malouf...Malouf over Harford...

Who to believe?

And the last sentence does say it all..."It's normal negotiation and argy-bargy – you may stop and start."

Sounds about right...

i heard a comment from Mitchell that he even stated that the kids wernt developed enough and with the current plight of the senior team didnt want to expose them to the morale sapping and loosing culture of the Senior team.. Stated that they are developing well in the Bullies and will be much better for it for 2006 and thinks there will be some good kids pressing for Seniors proper in 2006.

I tend to agree what developemnt would Russell / Hartlett / Backwell get in a team that is being smashed from piller to post with the clean out at years end i am sure they will be given a much better chance come 2006

Surrey = guy who understands....

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So who is working under our game plan? ... Oh, is that a cricket I hear in the background? ... Deathly silence... Let's move them all on then.

So what your saying is it is OK for Walker and Betts but the others must be sheltered from the real world. Yeh thats right Richmond sheltered Delidio , Hawthorn protected Franklin and Roughead and so on and so on. You Sir do not know what you are talking about. By the way you would reckon that after 17 or so games of development in the twos they would be starting to show promise wouldnt you but look at last weeks best for the Ants
Best: Nthn Bullants: Clarke Wiggins Bannister Morrell Prendergast Bowyer.

Frightening isnt it when you see how are players are developing . Maybe Pagan has lost them too

We are a shambles with no sense of direction

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SB i wouldn't take notice of the best players for the Bullants. I've been to a few Bullants games this year and the kids for some reason are overlooked even though i felt they played great games.

It is a bit like the Herald-Sun who just rotate the order of our top 5 best players each week between Lappin, Kouta, Campo, Stevens and a random pick.

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Surrey,

What is Lance worth? From what we can gather we are going to offer 2 years at $300,000 per season
What is Campo worth? He looks like he will be offered similar to Lance.
What is Lappin worth? Looks like money is not an issue just the length of contract.

Tell us all what you would offer Lance, Campo and Lappin.

Hasn't Surrey already done that???

My point is Verbs that it looks like the clubs have offered what Lappin, Campo and Lance are worth according to Surrey and mo0st of us but the players have not accepted them.

Whose fault is that?

JBee, if you cared to read my posts I have explained that the players are worth what the club is offering (except Lappin). I don't have a problem with the money offered.

But what gets up my nose is, the treatment that Whitnall & Lappin are receiving from the club. Whether you accept it or not, Whitnall hasn't been treated well by this admin and now Lappin is also but put in the hot seat. In my honest opinion, Lappin has been one of our better experienced performers over the past 3 years. There are ways and there are ways to deal with things.

We used to pride ourselves on looking after our players (not always paying top dollar either, history has examples eg Silvagni), but looking after them.

IMHO things started turning to shit when Bradley decided to do preseason training by himself until contract was signed. How many years was it, 3. As much as I respected the guy, that's when a club should take a stance.

Whitnall, Lappin & even Campo don't deserve this.

I'm not sure what it is you think they don't deserve.

The club offered them contracts that they felt were deserved, the players declined them and asked for other terms. So far the club has stood its ground. Nothing wrong there.

If it is the lambasting that the fans are giving them, that is not the clubs fault.

If it is the tales being told in the press, that is not the clubs fault.

So far as I can see, the club is only guilty of not giving in to players demands.

Ok. last time just for you MsC.

I want all three to stay @ Carlton.
Contracts Carlton offered aren't too bad and players should sign them.

Now treatment:
1. You don't pull contracts off the table when parties are about to agree. Believe what you want here, but it was done and has been done before.
2. You don't treat your players the way we have treated Whitnall. Numerous paper articles quoting Collo as examples. We shopped him around and made him feel like c@@p last year. Again you can spin it anyway you want, if it makes you feel better.

You cannot blame the players for being down against the club, can you?

Sorry Surrey but your wrong. 300K for any of them is too much. What is Aker on at Brisbane? A lot less than that if whats reported in the media can be believed. As much as I want all three to stay I only want to see them paid true market value.

Id be happy for the club to offer them 2 year deals on 200-250K with an option of a third if they fullfill certain requirements. For Skinny hed have to remain injury free and amongst our best week in week out. Who wants a 30+ footballer past his prime. For Campo shut up stop whinging to umps and lead by example as well as what Id recomended for Skinny. or Lance it would be same as Skinny but also youd want to see him consistanly present himself in the best possible shape, not every few years at negotiation time.

Thanks Surrey, you are so sweet to explain it so clearly to me.

You are not alone in wanting players to stay at the club. In an ideal world.

1. When Mathew Lappin tells me the contract he was about to sign was whipped off the table, then I will believe that tale.

2. Agreed that Whitnall would not have enjoyed being shopped around last year, but he will not have been the only player, nor were we the only club to ever do that. It's a reality of the game.

I can blame the players for being down on the club if they have helped to bring about the situation for themselves. If they were all playing up to our expectations every week, providing leadership on and off field, then I would wonder why the club was behaving like that.

As it stands today, I agree with the club. If information changes tomorrow or the next day, then I will review my opinion.

"Believe what you want,but it was done"

So you have sources inside the Club Surrey?

You were party to the Lappin discussions?

Care to elaborate?

Well summarised Mrs Caz.

I wonder if Surrey had a problem when Lance would literally roll down to the club 5kg overweight every pre season.

Nice reply Mrs Caz