Ok just so you people understand.....

Denis is from North where they have had to fight for everything including their own existence.
His record speaks for itself.. under 19s reserves VFA with Yarraville and North.
He comes to Carlton with the understanding he gets Wells Goddard a second rounder a third rounder and a player through the PSD...
History tells us he didnt... and he didnt get a first and second rounder in his next year either...
Now being from a blue collar football background (mostly with North where everything was hard fought for and a culture of hard work and mateship he comes to Carlton)

Carlton is a club all about the excess of the greedy 80s. Players have been spoilt , overpaid , treated with kit gloves... but the club is on a decline.

Denis is shocked with the club that he thought was in better shape than it was. No gym, undersized players who are being paid overpaid wages...he decides to whip the place into shape. Cracking the whip he gets players who live in Elliot/Parkins la la land off side...
Theyre not used to this drill sergeant stuff.. after all Parkin had empowered them and Elliott had promised them riches.They never had to do weights before why do them now???
McKernan had told the players all about Pagan and when it was announced that Pagan was coming McKernan felt sick in the guts. He let the others know too.
Collo had asked for a paycut from the players and when he asked the top 8 players to drive over to his office at the Dome Corey knew what it was about. He had experienced something similar at North. On the drive over he was busy telling the others that this meeting (unknown at the time was not going to be much fun) .. a few minutes with Collo and the players knew that it was not much fun. They have been asked to take a pay cut to something more realistic and they were not too happy about it.
Not taking a pay cut would have meant the club was up for salary cap breaches again so most of the players took a pay deferal.
As the year went on and Pagan eager to change the culture began the exercise of stripping down all the fat the players were chewing he got more and more off side with the fat cat players who resented what was going on .... who is this guy and what reason does he have to rock our world???
This metality is still the problem today with a handfull of players .
There is a transition of culture and some players hate that their nest egg is no longer that and that the club is shedding off its excess.

When theyre more or less gone and their little support system thats left (contracts) have been torn down i have no doubt that Denis (The master shin boner) will bring a culture to the club more befitting of where we are today rather than where the club was in the eighties.
I know some board members have lost their nerve.. (BM gets his ideas from one or two).. the ones that count are in support of Denis and the hard job at hand.
In my opinion we should support the transition before it spoils the kids..rather than the easy knee jerk reaction that the Richmonds and the Aints have used sacking coach after coach because the players ran the show...
Its a long road ahead and players like Walker and Waite will understand the Denis road might be tougher but its more rewarding than the road of Campo and Lappin...

Ill support dad... i mean anyone that wants to do whatever it takes to turn this culture of "me" thats being dragging down the club around...

C'mon I'm only tryng to maintain a sense of humour in trying times.

The old culture was shocking wasn't it playing in finals, winning flags. I'm so glad the culture at the club at the moment has changed for the better.

Ok just so you people understand.....

Denis is from North where they have had to fight for everything including their own existence.
His record speaks for itself.. under 19s reserves VFA with Yarraville and North.
He comes to Carlton with the understanding he gets Wells Goddard a second rounder a third rounder and a player through the PSD...
History tells us he didnt... and he didnt get a first and second rounder in his next year either...
Now being from a blue collar football background (mostly with North where everything was hard fought for and a culture of hard work and mateship he comes to Carlton)

Carlton is a club all about the excess of the greedy 80s. Players have been spoilt , overpaid , treated with kit gloves... but the club is on a decline.

Denis is shocked with the club that he thought was in better shape than it was. No gym, undersized players who are being paid overpaid wages...he decides to whip the place into shape. Cracking the whip he gets players who live in Elliot/Parkins la la land off side...
Theyre not used to this drill sergeant stuff.. after all Parkin had empowered them and Elliott had promised them riches.They never had to do weights before why do them now???
McKernan had told the players all about Pagan and when it was announced that Pagan was coming McKernan felt sick in the guts. He let the others know too.
Collo had asked for a paycut from the players and when he asked the top 8 players to drive over to his office at the Dome Corey knew what it was about. He had experienced something similar at North. On the drive over he was busy telling the others that this meeting (unknown at the time was not going to be much fun) .. a few minutes with Collo and the players knew that it was not much fun. They have been asked to take a pay cut to something more realistic and they were not too happy about it.
Not taking a pay cut would have meant the club was up for salary cap breaches again so most of the players took a pay deferal.
As the year went on and Pagan eager to change the culture began the exercise of stripping down all the fat the players were chewing he got more and more off side with the fat cat players who resented what was going on .... who is this guy and what reason does he have to rock our world???
This metality is still the problem today with a handfull of players .
There is a transition of culture and some players hate that their nest egg is no longer that and that the club is shedding off its excess.

When theyre more or less gone and their little support system thats left (contracts) have been torn down i have no doubt that Denis (The master shin boner) will bring a culture to the club more befitting of where we are today rather than where the club was in the eighties.
I know some board members have lost their nerve.. (BM gets his ideas from one or two).. the ones that count are in support of Denis and the hard job at hand.
In my opinion we should support the transition before it spoils the kids..rather than the easy knee jerk reaction that the Richmonds and the Aints have used sacking coach after coach because the players ran the show...
Its a long road ahead and players like Walker and Waite will understand the Denis road might be tougher but its more rewarding than the road of Campo and Lappin...

I've got nothing to add, just wanted to contribute another post using Synbad's post.......have we got enough of these now?

We are talking about the culture of the players.

Going through the pain and misery of watching one of our worst seasons ever, I came Forward tonight and Asked Terry Wallace on White Line Fever, a very honest Question about our Situation.

I Would like to ask you the same Question to you guys and get your input on the matter.


Do you honestly think that the playing Group At Carlton , especially the Senior Players, have Stoped playing for Denis the Coach or rathar can no longer have the desire to play under Denis?? Body Language, commitment, attitude all been Questionable this year


Terry Wallace's view was that he strongly beleieved Denis has nothing to do with our Fall, and that last year's 10 wins came as a Fluke and pure luck, nothing else, and that he only expects Carlton to get up to finals footy within 5-6 years .....

What do you think??

In my opinion we should support the transition before it spoils the kids..rather than the easy knee jerk reaction that the Richmonds and the Aints have used sacking coach after coach because the players ran the show...

A culture that lead to winning

I have faith in Collo to turn the ship off the ground around

Love the mixed metaphor, Syn. One of your best...

Ok just so you people understand.....

Denis is from North where they have had to fight for everything including their own existence.
His record speaks for itself.. under 19s reserves VFA with Yarraville and North.
He comes to Carlton with the understanding he gets Wells Goddard a second rounder a third rounder and a player through the PSD...
History tells us he didnt... and he didnt get a first and second rounder in his next year either...
Now being from a blue collar football background (mostly with North where everything was hard fought for and a culture of hard work and mateship he comes to Carlton)

Carlton is a club all about the excess of the greedy 80s. Players have been spoilt , overpaid , treated with kit gloves... but the club is on a decline.

Denis is shocked with the club that he thought was in better shape than it was. No gym, undersized players who are being paid overpaid wages...he decides to whip the place into shape. Cracking the whip he gets players who live in Elliot/Parkins la la land off side...
Theyre not used to this drill sergeant stuff.. after all Parkin had empowered them and Elliott had promised them riches.They never had to do weights before why do them now???
McKernan had told the players all about Pagan and when it was announced that Pagan was coming McKernan felt sick in the guts. He let the others know too.
Collo had asked for a paycut from the players and when he asked the top 8 players to drive over to his office at the Dome Corey knew what it was about. He had experienced something similar at North. On the drive over he was busy telling the others that this meeting (unknown at the time was not going to be much fun) .. a few minutes with Collo and the players knew that it was not much fun. They have been asked to take a pay cut to something more realistic and they were not too happy about it.
Not taking a pay cut would have meant the club was up for salary cap breaches again so most of the players took a pay deferal.
As the year went on and Pagan eager to change the culture began the exercise of stripping down all the fat the players were chewing he got more and more off side with the fat cat players who resented what was going on .... who is this guy and what reason does he have to rock our world???
This metality is still the problem today with a handfull of players .
There is a transition of culture and some players hate that their nest egg is no longer that and that the club is shedding off its excess.

When theyre more or less gone and their little support system thats left (contracts) have been torn down i have no doubt that Denis (The master shin boner) will bring a culture to the club more befitting of where we are today rather than where the club was in the eighties.
I know some board members have lost their nerve.. (BM gets his ideas from one or two).. the ones that count are in support of Denis and the hard job at hand.
In my opinion we should support the transition before it spoils the kids..rather than the easy knee jerk reaction that the Richmonds and the Aints have used sacking coach after coach because the players ran the show...
Its a long road ahead and players like Walker and Waite will understand the Denis road might be tougher but its more rewarding than the road of Campo and Lappin...