So what the go is, the cops believed she was raped but botched the case so she got the compensation money anway?

Haven't really been following the story of recent days, but if the above is what happened then no biggie. Was it hush money or compo I wonder?

The way I read it she was a stripper at a night club called Goldfingers - she slept with one player and woke up with another - She claims she was raped by the second player- She accused the police of botching the rape case and they offered he $20k - she then took them to court and lost so then as a sign of good faith the police then re offered her the $20k which she took

Then there is allegations that she meet with Elliott at Goldfingers and after the meeting and when Elliott left Moran held a gun to her head and threaten her if she leaked info out- The owner of Goldfinger said the only time Elliot was there they threw him out

It all seems bizarre to me as the time I went to Goldfingers with work I thought all the strippers were hookers anyway as they kept approaching you for a private sessions - Is that place still open ???

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Yes, the place is still open, but 'Private Sessions' just mean a private dance. No Touching. It's very strict.

I've dated 2 girls (very briefly) from Goldfingers - nice girls.

While we're on the topic people, i've gotta say i kinda disagree with how many times this "Kate" girl is refered to as a "Stripper".

What she does as a profession doesn't and shouldn't matter - she is a human being! Sure, she's a silly one at that for going back with a footy player to have sex with him whilst doing drugs wih other people in the next room.................. that's just plain dumb and asking for trouble........... but nonetheless, she is a human being AT ALL TIMES regarldess of profession.

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This is a serious matter, but a serious police matter. What we have here is a woman allegedly raped by somebody, who was connected to an organisation that allegedly covered it up, and a botched police investigation that followed.

Fast forward 10 years. The people associated with that organisation at the time are no longer connected with it, and the people in power now know nothing of what occured, insisting that police and media organisations speak specifically with those that were. So we have a serious charge allegedly perpetrated by an individual (or individuals) and allegedly swept under the rug by other individuals, and then police allegedly @#$%&! up the investigation. Individuals, all of them.

Yet all I hear is "Carlton...rape...Carlton....drugs" from every corner, getting the ferals, bogans and no-shows frothing at the mouth. The name Carlton is what is being slandered here, not the individuals responsible for what happened. In fact, I've even heard some people lauding Elliott as a hero for bringing this into the open now, seemingly forgiving him. Does anyone else see something incredibly [REDACTED] up with this?

I've often been of the belief that people in the football world are so [REDACTED] in the head when it comes to us that if someone were to tell them "Carlton has links to the Holocaust" or "Carlton clubs baby seals", they would immediately accept it as the truth and happily shout it to the masses, who would then lap up every word of it. Any attempt by the club to try and prove no nazi links or seal clubbing would result in "See! If it wasn't true why talk about it?", and by remaining silent it's "See! They're scared to come out!". The sheer fuck-headedness of people in the football community means they'd happily believe that we are the source of all evil in the world, that people like John Elliott could allegedly cover up a serious crime but then be let off the hook because he's giving these tools the faeces to hurl at us like apes in a zoo.

We all want justice served. If this happened, bring the responsible individuals to justice, even if they are individuals still involved with the club. Re-open the case, and don't @#$%&! it up this time. This is a serious matter within society as a whole, treat it as such. Report it like you would any other crime that occurs, fight to bring the individuals to justice. INDIVIDUALS. But for everyone out there preferring instead to sit on their fat feral arses pointing grubby fingers at the administrators, players, supporters and ohters involved with the club, people that had NOTHING to do with what allegedly happened, I only suggest that you stop trivialising the issue, pull your heads out of your arses, put @#$%&! football bias aside for a second and use whatever brain cells you have for a second and behave like adults and not @#$%&! braindead animals.

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Of course don't you-

Hey why would anyone by stick mags these days when there is porn coming out of bleaches on the net

Work function staying at the Jika International and after dinner that night one the blokes asked Guido the barman where all the action was - he drove us into town to this place and walked straight in - They all knew Guido he was bloody legend down there nearly every girl came up to him

Very attractive girls for a strip club

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So, by your implication then, if she was a hooker it would be okay to rape her?

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No but you don't put yourself in situations where you could get raped

Stipper - on drugs - slept with one footy player already - probably all high and off their faces

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Dyson Hore Lacy Q.C.......(former President of the Fitzroy F.C.).......said on the news this morning that settlements paid by

Police were reasonably common; and only paid on the strict understanding that absolutely no comment would be made to any

individual following the signing of that agreement.

It was also reported on one Radio Newscast this morning, that the Police were looking at sueing the woman for breaking her

silence on the ABC last night.

This may not be a big story interstate; but it sure is bubbling here.

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She was a stripper as the bloke was a football player. If she had a case and the police stuffed it up and the club covered it up, shame, shame on the lot.

Unfortunately, legitimate rape cases never get the appropriate sentence because the chance of convicting an innocent man is too great. Both sides play stupid @#$%&! games meaning the real crims and the real victims fall through the cracks.

This is all [REDACTED] up - The simple solution to strippers and footballers alike - don't put yourselves in positions where this could happen.

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Warby this is very minor compared to what some RL players have been accused of - thats why it would get bugger all air play in Sydney

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They all LERV anything that's even remotely anti Carlton.......the hatred goes back a long way......and to think a former CFC

President regurgitated the sorry tale beggars belief.

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"Police react angrilly over hush money"..........10.30am update.........28/08/09


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

http://www.theage.com.au/national/polic ... -f1tx.html

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 02,00.html

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I understand what you're saying, but I disagree.

It may have been a Carlton player, a Member of Parliament, a clergyman, a bus driver, a teacher or a car salesman. It doesn't make a difference. The story has moved on since that point and isn't about the Club apparently, allegedly attempting to pay hush money, but the story is now the POLICE paying "F$^&* off" money because the alleged victim wanted to press the case.

I agree that the club has been made to look bad about this, but that's been on the public record now for a while. It won't affect anyone's opinion of the club any more, IMO.

I agree the Club should investigate the matter further.

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In short

Allegation of rape by a woman
Police stuff up investigation
Police pay compensation money as a result and a confidentiality clause is signed
Woman also meets with President of club and is alledgedly paid money.
That should be the end of it

But................................well someone then opens his mouth.

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Tony Moclair's Guido?

Guido sounds like a man of good standing after you criticised the character of an 18 year old Yarran...

If somebody had have acted like this in the George W Bush regime though would you think it was right Bluemark? You'd be in there yelling and screaming from the rafters. And I don't say that as a way of making a point of you per se - more as a point of saying that we can all be blinded to institutions we love.

Synners is on the money. I study reputational crises in politics (Republican Party) and the non-profit sector (Queensland Health and the Salvation Army). It's how I earn my living - looking at how organisations respond to exactly these types of allegations (Watergate, Iran-Contra Arms affair, deaths in Bundaberg, and abuse against children in wards of state). This sort of stuff sticks, and we are still paying for it ten years later. Meanwhile, the alleged culprit goes on living life while the club is dragged through the mud. It was and continues to be extremely poor reputation management by the club. You can put your head in the sand, but it doesn't go away. The club must be more proactive in such matters... but unfortunately I don't think they have any idea of where to start.

Trust me people very close to the Elliott family are very frustrated with him.

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It looks like the footage of Elliott and Koutafides and Christou on Channel Ronald Dale was edited to look grainy to reinforce the image that it belongs in an era long ago.
Like a C-movie version of the original League Teams with Dyer, Richards and Davis.
A classic example of the power of the screen. It's hard to imagine this went to air in 2009.
The main players will have to work hard to shake off those images.

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There will always be a self destructive tendancy with Mr Elliott..

It will always drag anyone else or any organisation connected with him at the time into its latest self destructive manifestation.

As far as Carlton is concerned, there was always way too much forgiveness and tolerance of John Elliott and the club took way too long to properly learn this lesson. Mr Elliott just cant help himself.

As for the Carlton rape / drugs issue - it will still be popping up, sullying and spoiling the reputation of our club for quite a while yet. Its such a shame to have something like this tarnishing all the good work that has been going on at Carlton.

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