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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:37 pm

Craig Bradley

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How did the experts in the draft think there were 70 or so better options.The guy is the best overhead mark in the team and has great footy smarts.If he can improve his kicking a bit he could become a great.We look 20% better with him in the side.

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Andain

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:58 pm

Rod Ashman

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Cazzesman wrote:

If CFC had a 20 year old HBF with those figures, that we could pencil in every week, we would be over the moon.

Regards Cazzesman

Yes but would we trade Lance for him? The answer is no. I would love to see Goddard playing for the blues but not for the kind of price some are suggesting.

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Effes

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:08 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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Andain wrote:

Yes but would we trade Lance for him? The answer is no.

Last edited by Effes on Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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The Tyrant

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:08 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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Cazzesman wrote:

Everyone is quick to put the boots in to Goddard.

Some of you posters need to open your eyes alittle. AFL is not about peaks and troughs in performance it's about getting on the park week in week out and being consistant week in week out. He may not be Judd or Wells but he would walk into any AFL team any weekend.

Since being drafted he has basically played in the AFL since Round 1, 2003 and out of 61 odd home and away games I bet he has played near on 55 games.

This year he is averaging close to 16 possessions a game from the HBF with a high of 26 and low of 11. He rarely wastes a disposal and can kick 50 of one step to a running player. He has his faults but there aren't many. He is 4th for StKilda in possessions, only behind onballers Hayes, Delsanto and Ball and he is 6th in tackles. If CFC had a 20 year old HBF with those figures, that we could pencil in every week, we would be over the moon.

Regards Cazzesman

exactly. Actually have a look at St.Kilda stats and Goddard is right up there.

The whole Goddard saga burnt us to the point that now some people WANT him to fail to ease our pain.

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Elwood Blues1

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:43 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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re: Fisher...players who take one grab contested marks are hard to find and Fisher gives you that extra target up forward. He is a piece of the puzzle that we need to take the heat of Fevola...Fisher would get the third tall defender and their wouldnt be many taller third defenders who could handle Fishers marking ability.

re Goddard...bulked up but has lost some pace as a result from what I have seen of him in games this year. Doesnt have a position at Stkilda courtesy of the Saints having a strong midfield.....That business with hs father set him back a bit I reckon , will be a good player for the Saints but would be a better player with us as he would see more of the ball playing midfield in a weaker team....

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Drewgirl

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:18 pm

formerly Fevola

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My personal favourite was when Fisher did not shirk the contest against man mountain Richardson who came off second best. Skinny Fisher knocking Richardson out, Go figure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Andain

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:24 pm

Rod Ashman

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Carlton's new forwardline:

btw Fisher doesn't look too skinny in that picture of him knocking Richo out :wink:

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Drewgirl

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:36 pm

formerly Fevola

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Yeh he has some muscle definition, but compared to Richo, massive difference. Saying that though, the fish is strong.

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Wangers

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:34 pm

Harry Vallence

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Goddard = Pick 1 = Good player
Fisher = Pick 72 = Much Better player

Moral of the story - just because you are pick 1 doesn't mean you are going to be better than lower picks - it's just perception.

For those bragging about stats, re Goddard, they are just that - stats. Talk to me when players like Goddard are important to the team structure rather than just collect possessions and hit targets. He wasn't missed on Saturday against Melbourne!!!

Can Goodard win a game off his own ability - I think not. I've watched him play closely over his career at St Kilda and he's a good player at best.

Where as Fisher can be a match winner through his own ability. He's as dangerous as Fev in my opinion and has demonstrated he can win a game off his own boot (remember his 1st season against Richmond in 2003), and therefore a better player at this stage than Goddard.

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Wolfe

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:42 pm

Harry Vallence

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Bit hard to pick on Goddard forget about Fisher they are different players and Fish i think is an exceptional Talent for where he was picked and when you get a player like that you just are wrapped because most picked at 50 - 100 dont go that far ... Fish is an exception and there have been a few others.

Goddard is in a sea of stars his development may have even been slowed due to other guns in the team ie Kosi / Reiwalt / Hayes / Delsanto / Ball ect

They have a huge number of talented stars that i think Goddard is lost in the team and also in a lot of other teams he would be playing in the Midfield or half back but in the Saints he is tossed around depending on what the situation is or to releave a player in a set position.. Goddard in the blues would be a very good player .. Goddard in the Saints is a good average player who is under utilised

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The Vet

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:50 pm

Harry Vallence

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the Fish's return has transformed this side. If nothing else it has been because of his desire, and determination, both to get the footy, and to follow it up - he chases hard and his commitment is second to none - as Richo discovered. We have been a different side since his retrun, and I'm wrapt in the kid for being so damned determined to make an impact from the very moment he returned. He has lifted all those around him, and that is spreading through the team.

Mate, my kids are putting 14 of their Jumpers. This kid has a future.

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JohnM

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:55 pm

Geoff Southby

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My oldest is a very happy girl. She's had No.14 on her back pretty much since the day Brad was drafted. With younger daughter wearing the No.30, I'd say they're going to be cheering home goals for the next decade.

Gee their dad knows how to pick 'em

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mikkey

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:56 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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We have been a different side since his retrun, and I'm wrapt in the kid for being so damned determined to make an impact from the very moment he returned. He has lifted all those around him, and that is spreading through the team.

Imagine if all our senior players would play like that every game.... :roll:

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:57 pm

Ken Hunter

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I put it all down to that article by the ghost!

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Stefchook

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:38 pm

Wayne Johnston

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No, but he's a very handy player for us. Obviously has terrific hands in the marking contest. But also is quite quick, and can play as a link man further up the ground. Interesting to see him playing in the centre square at one centre bounce contest, IIRC. I wonder if that gives a little sneak preview of where he might end up from time to time. I think at under 18 level he used to play occasionally on the wing.

His kicking was good on the weekend and certainly seems to have improved. I guess we need to wait and see if it's a long-term improvement.

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HTP

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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:10 pm

Robert Walls

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Digressing a smidgeon but I have a problem with this talk about Goddard not realising his potential because there's other good players in his team. It's like saying Luke Power shouldn't be any good because he has the likes of Voss, Akermanis, Black, Lappin in his team.

I mean really - if Goddard is a midfielder by birth right, he'd be playing in the midfield now - or GT is training him defensively first [where have I heard that idea before] before setting him permanently in the midfield.

Tyrant's right in my humble opinion [wish there was a shorter way of saying that] - perhaps we're angry at Goddard and want him to fail to make us feel gooderer.

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Brad Fisher brings sunshine to my supporting.

On any given weekend ANY of the players are the most important players - depends on match ups, form, and ... uh ... some other technical stuff

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Bluebernz

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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:02 pm

Harry Vallence

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The answer is NO. Marc Murphy is!!

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