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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:37 pm 
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Judd being an introvert is where I'm heading ... Maybe Judd needs to start ruling with authority or move over for someone who does!

I understand your point of view, and to a certain extent I agree. However, who do we have that is experienced enough, mature enough, and marketable enough to replace Judd as the captain? Setanta comes to mind right away if we're after somebody to rule with authority, although I don't think he would be up to being the captain anyway.

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SEN just read a statement from the Club. Denying that Mitch was in another fight in Tassie.

It could have been fabricated through the media, however if we see some photos of Mitch sporting a shiner then I doubt it would help his cause all too much :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:38 pm 
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The rot starts at the top - Sticks must go, and now. Enough of having "one of the boys" at the helm. No wonder he didn't have a problem with this planned grog-on cruise, he would have loved it himself :roll:

Punish the offenders with a large fine, extra training, exclusion from team social events etc, but we can't afford to have them missing too many games, esp with Judd out until round 4.

FMD we don't need this right now :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:42 pm 
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I think everyone needs to take football players down off their hero pedestals and lower their expectations.

Football players are the same snotty nosed shitheads you get pissed off at in the shopping centres, on the buses, on the trains, in the pubs, at the beach etc - young rowdy flower kids with not much care or clue for the world around them.

But cos these shitheads can kick a footy and run a bit and pump weights and get overpaid everyone seems to worship them and think they are geniuses all of a sudden

I understand that with being a highly paid footballer comes responsibility but i think we expect far too much from them, its beyond them - they dont have the mental capacity

I enjoy watching them play football though - thats about as far as it goes for me nowadays , they are merely shitheads kicking a footy around and nothing more.

Not Heroes, not Role models , not Saviours, not Angels , not Perfect never were and never will be.
:idea: Go to training and give these four guys a bit of stick from the bleachers. Let them know how we supporters feel.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:43 pm 
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It is unacceptable behaviour from ANYONE............having a scene in your underwear in public,.


C'mon Dan, everyone's gotta have at least one public scene in your underwear in their life! You jusn't haven't lived unless you've been caught with your pants down!! What stories are these guys gonna tell their grankids if you take that away from them!! :grin: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:52 pm 
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Was Robinson's shiner a result of some Matty Hogg style 'discipline' from team mates rather than another altercation in Tassie?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:11 pm 
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Statement from CFC

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/season2009/ ... fault.aspx


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:13 pm 
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A bit of Shane Strempel style discipline wouldn't go astray with some of these thick heads, particlular the repeat offenders in Hoops and Eddie...

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I find addressing the issue through media statements as being pretty gutless. If we were serious about addressing this issue, a press conference would ve been organised quick smart...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:24 pm 
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Interesting how the apologists have been silent since page 10...

See, it's really very simple. As long as we keep apologising for footballers because they are not intelligent or not role models or because they need to let there hair down, we will continue to have 15 - 50 page threads on whether or not that latest indescretion is a serious cultural issue or just another media beat up / boys being boys.

FFS people, how many threads have we now had on this? How many debates have we had on whether this latest incident is serious or not? Why are we YET AGAIN spending our days debating another f*ck up? And how long will it be before we have the next thread debating the next incident, instead of being excited at how Yarran's tearing it up or 206 has become the dominant tap ruckman in the competition?

The fact that we are having this discussion YET AGAIN is all the proof we need that there is something seriously wrong, and that continually forgiving these players' behaviours isn't the answer. The Club and everyone around it (including David Parkin, for whom most of us have nothing but respect) have admitted that they weren't hard enough on Fevola right from his first indescretion, that they excused his behaviour too often. And look how that ended, for player, Club and allegedly journalist.

Geelong had cultural issues. They had a potential superstar not putting in the work required, and in retrospect, probably a fistful of other players who were in the same boat (given the improvement they showed from 06 to 07). They also had at least one player who was getting into trouble off-field. But they got tough. Really tough. To the extent that no bullsh!t was accepted. None. And they won 2 flags in 3 years.

We may have copped more media flack than Essendon* and Collingwood and St Kilda, yet that is not the issue. THe issue is that none of those clubs have won Premierships. One of them seems finally to be getting it's culture and leadership right, impressively so, and the result is that it is now perliously close to ultimate success.

It's 2010 (close enough), not the 1970s. Football is more professional than it has ever been. It's a competition where the victor wins because it does things 1%, 0.5% better than its opponent. This is in preparation and attitude, not just on the field. It is about the desire for success, and what you are prepared to do, and sacrifice, to achieve it. It is about the bond you form with your teammates, and the respect you have for them. What are you prepared to do, to sacrifice, to reach the summit? Do you have the ultimate, unconditional respect for your teammate that will enable you, without thinking, to put your body at risk to help him out? Because anything less than that means failure.

All this stems from culture, and from leadership. The Club's leadership must demonstrate in no uncertain terms that each individual at the Club, whether they be player or off-field personell, is responsible for his or her behaviour. End of story. Sure, give them support, and education, as much as possible. But at the end of the day, it is up to the individual to make the right choices. And if they cannot make the right choiced, if they cannot stay in line, then they will pay the price. A significant price. So that it hurts them, and it hurts the Club. For that is how it must be. Geelong suspending Johnson for 6 weeks hurt player and Club. A pain which lead to 2 Flags and a Norm Smith Medal.

Appointing Leading Teams was a great move, I just hope that they can turn things around quickly, as they did with Geelong.

But ultimately, the fish rots at the head. IMHO, right now, the head is a whole lot more smelly than I would like it to be.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:35 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
But ultimately, the fish rots at the head. IMHO, right now, the head is a whole lot more smelly than I would like it to be.


Sticks was nothing more then a care taker President. i knew that if he got the gig full time, that the Club would become the bogan bloke's paradise that it seems to have become...
Swann can only do so much when Sticks and Ratts aren't the strong leaders they're supposed to be...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:46 pm 
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I think everyone should calm down and take a couple deep breaths and breathe slowly.

Judd is fine as Captain. You can't blame Fev so you blame Judd now. Hes a good captain, taken us to a greater level then we been in years. He is respected. Its not Judd's responsibility to make sure Eddie bets doesn't get drunk as a scunk, Mitch dont get into fights and Houlihan/Walker having a tiff at crown in his own personal time off from the club. All he can do is send a message to the players and if it goes in one ear and out the other then its the individuals choice to face reprimand.

If the players didn't get a message from the Fev Brownlow night, then they never will. All players would of been told not to replicate any behaviour like that and to be careful not to have too many drinks when out after that incident.

The world is not perfect and you will always have the odd altercation at any club.

I'm sure scott pendlebury was sober in Bairnsdale Pub. Players are always out, only makes the news when an incident happens. Incidents happen all the time in public, but if its a celeb its top news. You are never going to have a perfect world and have 18-28 year olds sitting at home, never going out and just sit at home enjoying a few drinks, just sometimes a player can't handle his drink and theres ur story.

That is life, its human nature.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:52 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Sticks was nothing more then a care taker President. i knew that if he got the gig full time, that the Club would become the bogan bloke's paradise that it seems to have become...
Swann can only do so much when Sticks and Ratts aren't the strong leaders they're supposed to be...


Care to eloborate on Swans record at Collingwood when the shit hit the fan?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:58 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
That is life, its human nature.


Sorry, but it's not the "human nature" I want at my club.

Stop the rubbish fines and suspensions that too many footballers receive which are akin to being belted with a wet lettuce leaf. No extra training or being dropped to the Bullants will suffice. It just hasn't worked.

We made a statement with Fev. These 4 need to walk the same plank. Get rid of them and promote 4 rookies.

I'm not wanting a message sent. I want a commitment from this club that states quite clearly what we are wanting to achieve. These 4 are not part of our future.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:05 pm 
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Very Very disappointed!!! :cry:

The attitude at training so far has been faultless and very encouraging. These idiots have put themsleves in a position that they 'know is wrong' yet still did it.

An example has to made of all of them and it needs to be made known to the playing group that this will NOT be tolerated.

Houlihan is a fringe player that can easily be replaced.
Walker was nearly traded and so far has not lived up to his potential.
Betts has a history of not committing fully and needs to do more.
Robinson has shown potential but is a long way from making it and needs to pull his head in.

These guys better wake up and quickly or their careers will be over before they know it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:08 pm 
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I dont give a hoot what they do as long as they play good footy. waaaa waaaa, houla and walker had a bitch fight and someone called the cops. eddie was drunk and robbo got bitch slapped. waaaaaaaaaaaa.

bring on 2010


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:13 pm 
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I dont give a hoot what they do as long as they play good footy. waaaa waaaa, houla and walker had a bitch fight and someone called the cops. eddie was drunk and robbo got bitch slapped. waaaaaaaaaaaa.

bring on 2010


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:34 pm 
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A reliable poster on BF that has previously displayed he has a contact somewhere at the club has posted that we just had a new sponsor pull out of the deal at the last minute.

He won't name the sponsor :smoking:

Hun now mentioning it also - deal was reportadly worth a $mil - ouch - turns out to be the most expensive beers ever bought


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:52 pm 
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Good to see Eddie on the Orange Juice...... :sly:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:02 pm 
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Springsteen wrote:
I dont give a hoot what they do as long as they play good footy. waaaa waaaa, houla and walker had a bitch fight and someone called the cops. eddie was drunk and robbo got bitch slapped. waaaaaaaaaaaa.

bring on 2010


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:03 pm 
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I find addressing the issue through media statements as being pretty gutless. If we were serious about addressing this issue, a press conference would ve been organised quick smart...


Our last press conference didn't go so well either.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:07 pm 
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Taff wrote:
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It's official. We have NO RIGHT to criticse the culture of other clubs :banghead:


Spot on! The slanging that some throw around on this forum is very short sighted.

Currently Carlton FC is an embarrassment.


According to Kernahan, it's we're Carlton and **** the rest. I'm not a fan of the word at the best of times but the attitude stinks to high heaven. :evil:

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