Thats Pagans fault though. He should be able to control Lances eating habits in the off season surely? Lance likes his food amd there is nothing wrong with putting on 5 plus kilos after the season finishes.
He is still quick enough to get away with it.
Been playing very well now these last 4 years. Underpaid at 2 million dollars in that time.

Lance is hard done by. Ease up on the bloke. Remember he has a great footy brain. This is a great help when your opponent runs you up and down the ground all day and completely stuffs you and you get injured because of your lack of fitness.

Sarcasm in case you missed it.

I really wish Lances footy smarts translated in life sklls and thinking about where he is at. His football depends on his fitness. If he is fit then he plays well. We all know what type of season he is going to have as soon as he turns up to pre season.
Overweight= knee injuries and fat farm talk all year.
Trim= Do we play him at CHF or CHB and talk about changing the game plan to suit him. Such as how we are talking now.

He might for a while but eventually he would be found out. There is only one player in the league who could possibly carry it out over the season and thats Jonathon Brown. Players like him are very rare. And even Matthews doesn't take the chance of leaving him one out . It is to risky.
Pagans paddock is just another term for the Flood with quick delivery- It doesnt work. the game plan we had on the weekend is a whole lot better with a five or six man forward structure. More targets more chances.

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Hmmm, PJ I don't agree. Whitnall's 2005 is far superior to his 2002-2004, and his fitness is better as well. Look at any of his stats other than goals scored and this is his best year in many.

When I see Lance I dont see fatboy. I see a guy who has been worked out, still trying to use his renowned brain for advantage but whose body was never really AFL standard. this was accentuated in his unfit years. But back in 2001 we had a whole forward line, not what we've got now. As much as Fevola entertains and the youing CHF's are improving (fish, waite), its a different team.

I think he's having a great year.

The problems are, however, many:

1. mid 20's
2. not capable of playing the role Pagan would like
3. poor on the rebound, of which we struggle with
4. when forward, our skills into the fwd line ain't been good enough..
excluyding him from playing forward, and
5. when playing back, how many opponents can be possibly beat? Good games against Richo and Tredrea didn't win me over.

So even though I'm a supporter and have pointed out in an article on the site how good he has been, I think he can be of much much more value to a team with a good midfield where he can play 30-50metres out. That, given his form, should be worth alot to certain clubs. I think we should trade him now to extract that value.

(just not for your reasons PJ)

I saw it on Fox Footy. It's true.

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Don't agree with the last. His inability to do that is the fact that we have had a poorly performing mid-field which cannot deliver the ball so that he has an opportuntity to win it.

I simply do not agree that Lance is particularly undisciplined in his on-field play.

The undisciplined comment was more about his inability to maintain the level of fitness he had at the start of the year.

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Lance was also on 927 radio last night and IMO sounded like somebody who definetely wants to stay at the blues

Lance doesn't win Carlton games off his own boot, he helps us lose by less.

It's time for Carlton to bite the bullet, to be honest, without Lance we'll finish lower for the next few years but get better draft picks. Either way - with our without Big Red - it doesn't look like we'll make finals. So why keep him? It doesn't make good business sense. If the board are serious about rebuilding our club - Lance has to go while his market exchange value is on the up.

Take Lance out and put a youngster in with the WB's first round pick and we'll be more competitive in the time frame we can challenge for a flag. Ugly, ugly - but reality.

Really, Lance can't play permanently in our foward line with Fevola, Waite and Fisher - three players on the up. At the Bulldogs with his short clever leads being fed by players with precise foot skills he would probably get a team like them across the line in a few matches each year for the rest of his career. It's time to go Lance - do the best thing by yourself and the club.

Quite cold isn't it.

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Some good points there, but:

Lance was a large contributor in the Essendon* and Hawthorn wins with big last quarters and you'd have to say whilst he was average for the other 3 quarters, he probably won us those games...



Well by that logic you could argue that we might as well get rid of Stevens , he is only five months older than Lance. I doubt you'd want to get rid of Stevens though .

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Who are the young players at Carlton ready to fill Stevo's position?

Waite and Fisher have nudged Lance out of the forward line, he's expendable, Stevo's not.

So Lance contributed to two wins, so that's three wins for the season. Not a bigger enough diference to our overall season to keep him.

As for your last point on Stevens - read my comments in context to the role Lance plays in our team, like they were wrote rather than apply them to Stevens. Compare the role Stevens could play in a developing midfield to the role Lance currently plays as a gap filler in the backline. And by the way, those two wins you refer to were in the first eight weeks of the season when Lance was still in peak condition, he'd be incapable of doing it this late in the season - that's the reason Pagan has got him in the backline.

Look to the future and beyond the 2005 Blues.

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His best spot might well be full forward now but we have Fev. Waite is really coming on now after starting the season well and then struggling for a bit. Waite looks taller than 192 cms and will be a monster in a few years and his kicking and all around game has really come on.

I just dont think we would miss Lance that much. Would be great to keep him for 1 year and see how Hatrlett and Setanta go next year and use him to get a pick in the 2006 bumper draft. However he would have limited value then anyway and we need to try and prise something good for him now from another club.

Betts contributed to our win against Essendon* and Hawthorn.
Betts is a first year player.
Lance can go somewhere else and be their problem.

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No. Lance's problem in consistently playing a role in Pagan's Paddock is that he spends half a season these days in the backline.

I have read this thread from the start and have to laugh. So it looks like Lance is going to stay because it looks like the MC value him as an important part of our future. Ha! Ha! Well done guys. You'll have to pick on someone else now...

Lance is gone......
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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Laying it all out on the line again BM????

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No I will just wait until the seasons end. You and both know Dennis wants Whits to stay, Whits is keen. Collo isn't and Whits manager isn't. We will see who wins.

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