the end of his career? No, you'd have thought he'd he worth something pretty good given his games record and goal ability. That being said, Geelong and Richmond wouldn't touch him after Houlihan related experiences.

the end of his career at Carlton? I think so. All along Houlihan has been after a gig in the midfield, and other than a couple of go's (including a BOG against Port), he hasn't been given that opportunity. Why? Does Pagan not see that as his role? Is Pagan insisting on him becoming a very solid BP before moving him up? If thats the case, does anyone see him being able to do that ? Not me.

Not a fan of Houlihans and never really have been but I dont like the word coward...I labelled him as soft etc but every player who runs out on the park needs some courage to be there so I think coward is way over the top and in bad taste and we shouldnt be describing players as cowards ever...

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He has something to give.

When Fev names him as the player he most likes receiving the ball from, that has to count for something.

Yes his shirking shits me, but if he shirks once and delivers the ball lace out 3 times then I'd take him in my side.

It's when he does neither (like the past few weeks) that he cops it the most, and rightly so.

But surely after we've invested 400k a year into a key forward we should at least take some notice of who he enjoys getting the ball from.

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Houlihan is a half-forward/winger. That is where he plays his best. Why Pagan refuses to use him there is a mystery, especially considering we are crying out for ball carriers/line breakers.

He's too slow for the midfield we're building. Trade him for a second rounder.

Fev will learn to enjoy getting laces out from Muph and Simmo

Well said Elwood - never thought I'd see the day when you came to Houlihan's defence

You are spot on about accusations of cowardice being thrown around.

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The last quarter yesterday once again emphasised why we need players of his ilk. At key moments of the game the inability to hit targets cost us chances to move the ball up the field quickly and create scoring opportunities. The turnovers by Morrell and Carrazzo were crucial.

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They are best mates. And Houls always tries to give the ball off to Fev first, other players are his second option.

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He is contracted for one more year.

There is some currency; if we offer him to a club for free for one year (i.e Carlton pays his wages till the end of his contract, in return for an early second round pick or trade for someone like Mal Michael or Angelo Lekkas)

You can't really be suggesting that its Houligan's delivery that is going to save him. His delivery against Hawthorn was pathetic, turnovers, kicks to the opposition and OOB.

No, he's GAWN.

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Angelo Lekkas ?????? If we did that I would throw away my membership..................

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Time to improve your memory.

The fact that Denis is playing him in the 2s, instead of the 1s, at this time of the year suggests that Houlihan might be in a bit of trouble.

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It's no coincidence that we have improved without him in the team because he is the biggest downhill skier on the list.

My recollection was that was my point - his delivery was appalling, and I remebered his clangers not his pin point deliveries. Not sure what you are trying to say.

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I'm sorry, but he is not a great deliverer of the pill.

I too recall most of his passes ending up short, or long, or wide.

His skills are over-rated IMHO

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I believe he over estimates his left side skills (by about 10/15 metres) he invariably provides a clanger on his left side, however his right side is pretty good.

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The Vet maybe you should watch the match again & try to concentrate on everything. Hit a target many times. Most of the mistakes he makes are because he's not afraid to take risks. Was equal highest for goal assists last I saw those stats. Are you aware that Fev nominated him as the player he most likes being on the end of & has scored most goals from? He seems to rate his ability to hit a target.

You're joking right?

How many times does he need to hit Fev lace out for you to be convinced? He's possibly the best kick to position that we have, his skills are not overrated at all, they're actually excellent. Houlihan has the skills, his problem is his toughness.

The problem is that he takes risks; risks invariably don't always come off otherwise they wouldn't be called 'risks'. He costs us badly on occasion because he takes risks. Taking risks is part of the game. But Houlihan is a play-maker. When you're a play-maker sometimes the play you're trying to make won't come off. Yes it's frustrating, but I won't blame a player who clearly has the skills for backing himself to hit a target when he has the footy unless the target to whom the kick is intended is a manifestly unrealistic option in the given situation.

If I was a forward at the club I would want Houlihan delivering it to me every time. He makes a few mistakes and he does have his shortcomings but his skills are not one of them.

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I think someone needs to talk to Denis and get his honest thoughts on Houls. Otherwise we don't know how he feels about him.

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