You should know by now that I have no mail and I dont know any players/officials/what not personally - I merely read chicken entrails and go by gut feel

I'm not correct 100% of the time but neither are you

yeah i know.....

But im certain Lance wont sign for under 400k....because he has relayed that to us via his management......

If we go up to meet him it means we have breached what we said all along about contracts...

And that would mean were in REAL TROUBLE as a club to continue to change our standards because were deperate and dont know what to do.

We have a plan.. we made it PUBLIC.. so we better follow through on it or were in real trouble as a club.. more than we think.
It would mean we have no leadership on any level....

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Hall when he went to Sydney (2002) would have just turned 25. Same age as Fev if he leaves the club at the start of 2006.

ALthough I cant recall any specific examples, there have been numerous contracts over the years where players have said pay me X or I'll walk - most stay (ie easily more than 50%) if the player is deemed 'wanted' and often they will meet in the middle somewhere.

We have already breached what we have said about contracts (no more long term contracts) - and we did it with the most erratic player on our list. If that didnt smack of desperation then I dont know what does.

Btw, I enjoyed your tale about hamill/sticks - have always rated hamill as a player and unlike most supporters dont really wish him any ill will (aside from never winning a flag!).

For all the talk of leadership, the fact is the board shows none atm. For the most part the board is faceless (apart from collo). In terms of leadership we need a board which seen to be more dynamic and proactive with things rather than the doom/gloom. No disrespect to collo, but he is not the man to take us into the future - but then again I couldnt tell you who could (aside from fitzpatrick though he doesnt sound interested in it atm).

Frankly sticks shouldnt be on the board atm (unless he is going to take presidency in a year) - he is needed elsewhere in the club. Leadership comes through example - I would appoint kernahan in player development (ie selects and mentors the leadership group) and I would also request select past players to come in on a regular basis to help develop the players around the club - ones that come to mind would include Dean, Hickmont, etc - obviously older ex players as well but I couldnt name you any atm. Doull would be great though

IMO Fev's trade stock has higher value now than it may have in 12 months.

Where's the third option?

There was another poll I started about who was the higher priority for the future, Lance or Fev but I can't seem to find it! Just wanted to see how the results have changed.

trade em all!

Go youth

suck eggs for a few years

but clean this crappy slate before the stain becomes permanent.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Keep Fev.
If Lance wants more money then goodbye.

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agree.

i cant see lances value improving for us. where fev's could go either way. but is more likley to be as good next year.

if fev blitz next year then we could trade him for more provided we still had issues with him. hopefully he will turn things around.

how many other foward sdo we have capable of kicking 50 plus goals a year? waite is the only other one on our list and he hasn't proved it yet

what i am shocked by is that this club is struggling financially and Whitnall still thinks he is worth $400,000.

On what grounds?

Based on his performance in 2000?

Or on the 5 years of crap since?

let's assume that he was worth 400k in 2000 and about 150k for the other years - if you average that out he has delivered about 190k worth of work but believes he is worth double market value.

This guy has no character - ship him off and quick smart.

Synbad.. Not listening to anyone elses opinion, manipulating polls.. You should be a politician, mate.



It's one or the other, imo. At the moment i'm favouring trading Fevola. Because you would get quite a bit for him i'd think. And another club would have to put up with his idiocy and varying on-field enthusiasm.

It would hurt, though, if he kicked something like 90 goals next year for a rival club. Especially if that club was St Kilda.

Lance came 3rd in our B&F and Fev came 10th.

Lance played down back for most of the year and showed his versatility by having one of his best years. Remember Lance can play forward too. Fev can only play in one position and that is FF (or perhaps decoy).

So what happened to Fev this year. He is the one that is capable of kicking 50 goals a season. Oops! He only kicked 49!!

Fev is one of the main ambassadors for the club given his TFS role, that is true, but is he really taken seriously? No he is a joke.

Pagan said of Fev after a shocker late in the season: "We have had talks, Brendan and I, and we don't agree on the principles of football." What is this meant to mean?

Oh, and to top it off, ... Fev has no respect for Big Nick and the award named after him.

I don't say trade Fev, but if I had to make a choice I would keep Lance by a long, long way.

St Kilda aren't where they are because they traded Lockett, Hall & Everitt. Sorry, I know the point you're trying to make, but it really irks me that this "myth" is thrown around. They traded Lockett over 10 years ago, I doubt that trade is paying off in 2005. Each of these 3 players wanted to leave, there was never any choice involved for St Kilda. It's just a classic example of St Kilda supporters and the media rewriting history. You say things often enough and people will take it as truth. The sole reason St Kilda are where they are is because of priority picks. THe main players in their team were drafted with early picks or through the threat of the first pick in the PSD. Just imagine where they would be if they still had Hall and Everitt - the thought doesn't bear thinking about.

But as I said, I do now what point you're making.

Anyway, sorry to digress, this isn't a St Kilda thread, it's Fev v Lance.

Keep Fev for mine. He's a matchwinner and we'll be screaming out for one of those in the future (fingers crossed).

If we trade Fev, I want them all gone - Lance, Campo and Lappin as well. If we're going to clean the slate with Fev, might as well do it properly.

[quote If we trade Fev, I want them all gone - Lance, Campo and Lappin as well. If we're going to clean the slate with Fev, might as well do it properly.[/quote]

Very true cant see Pagan delisting everyone so i would keep Fev and Campo, trade Lance and Lappin.

Why you all ask. We wont get anything for Campo he might as well stay and be a one club player because he has been a good servant, and i have a soft spot for him. Fev has more to offer than Lance. As said many times Lance 25 going on 30!.

If just say we traded Fev would we need to pay off the new existing contract aswell. eg Mckernan?

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The bit that irks me is why do we have to keep players noone else wants???
Whats wrong with standards????

I reckon we should put the whole list up for trade.. if we get a bite and it suits us we trade....

If we get a bite but it doesnt suit dont trade.

No bites????... well off the bin...

Thats how you find out what your list is worth and whats what....

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This poll should have a TRADE THEM BOTH option

synbad wrote

Irks me too but we would have to get rid of half our list.

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Keep Fev as we know he can kick goals unlike Whitnall who is only a sweeping defender these days and can be more easily replaced.

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If it had to be one - Fevola - he is a head case. Unless someone slaps him into line, and quick, not only will he waste his talent, he will destroy our club.

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Trade them both so we don't have to put up with their crap anymore, or talk about them for the next 12 months.

Fevola to richmond for their first round pick + change.

Lance to Melbourne for their first round pick + change.

If our recruiters can't make something out of picks 1, 4, 8, 12 and 20 (plus any others that come out of the change) - even in an "even" draft - then sack the lot of them. There are great players in every draft.

Play the kids Hawthorn style and let the chips fall where they may next season. Next year will be the best draft ever and nobody will be trading away first round picks so we may as well be at the head of the que.

Fair two year offers to Lappin and Campo in that order.